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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2007, 04:02:14 PM » |
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I think Oswald hit it pretty close. Ahmadenijad gets to speak, but the Minutemen are disinvited? I have never heard anything out of the Minutemen that is as appalling as what the Iranian President says. Part of the reason people are angry over this is that this guy is far less helpful to America than the Minutemen, and yet here he is.
His rhetoric is not in line with anything that could be considered peaceful or progressive. But lets be honest, he is FAR from the worst person we could have speaking at an American university. He is not a war criminal nor has he overseen any type of genocide. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy, but there are a lot of people that would have been worse than him. Also, as nasty as this character may be, he isn't really in control in Iran. He doesn't call the shots. He is a mouth - and that is about it.
But, I have to applaud Columbia's President for giving no quarter. He didn't beat around the bush and stroke the ego of this guy. He didn't come out and say, "Mr. President, we are so happy you are here. Please tell us why America is so bad. You are a great light of hope in the world - a true revolutionary. Blah blah, blah blah." He told him how people view him and gave him fair warning that this crowd is far less gullible than the fanatics he preaches to in Iran.
My personal feeling is that he is a world leader, and should be given the chance to speak. With that said, I also believe that he should have to take his lashes from the audience and the hosts. The man needs to understand that he is not going to go unchallenged here.
Indeed, this is how America shines. Letting the man speak shows that we are a country that takes free speech very seriously. We knew he would ridicule the US, and yet he was free to say what he wanted. His views are not popular, and he was rightfully scorned for them. He wasn't silenced however, and that is what sets us apart.
Today, America was the bigger man.
America and Columbia should both be big enough to let the Minutemen speak. I agree with what you say, but there should not be a double standard because of Frankfurt School cultural marxism. OswaldTheOsprey Its not big enough to let US Military recruiters in either even though they take federal money. So the President of Columbia is thumbing his nose at the US govt even though it clearly states that if they take federal monies that US recruiters are allow to visit your campus. |
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2007, 04:08:46 PM » |
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Absolutely. I don't recall the Minuteman issue, but I would have commented on behalf of them as well. Free speech is free speech, whether you want to here it or not. I always quote Voltaire in these posts, so I'm gonna do it again  : "I may not like what you have to say but I will fight to the death your right to say it." |
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2007, 04:15:07 PM » |
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Absolutely. I don't recall the Minuteman issue, but I would have commented on behalf of them as well. Free speech is free speech, whether you want to here it or not. I always quote Voltaire in these posts, so I'm gonna do it again : "I may not like what you have to say but I will fight to the death your right to say it." Very apt. Dissent is dissent no matter where it comes from. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2007, 04:59:53 PM » |
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Well they gave him a chance to speech and he truely is an idiot. He did not answer any of the questions and when asked about women and gay rights he ended up talking about pot and drug dealers. I don't think Bush is a good speaker but this imajihad guy is hilarious. He wanted to debate against Bush? I think Bush will eat him alive. Then there are the people criticizing the protesters. Just as we let this idiot speak, the protesters and others have the same rights to speak against his views!
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2007, 05:43:06 PM » |
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I want to know why in the beginning of his speech the entire place starting clapping for the mad man... Absolutely ridiculous.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2007, 05:44:28 PM » |
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Bush shouldn't be allowed to speak anywhere then.
Whatever....Bush can't go anywhere without sparking protests and without leaders of those countries whipping out the copy of their favorite Chomsky book. Protest is also american. It's so funny. Whenever anyone on the right is shouted down at a university the left cries 'freedom of speech!' at the outrage. The prez of Iran wants to speak at a university and left cries 'freedom of speech!' at the outrage. I agree with you though. He should be allowed to speak and then sent on his way. No harm done really. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2007, 06:08:20 PM » |
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I want to know why in the beginning of his speech the entire place starting clapping for the mad man... Absolutely ridiculous. That's cause before Akmhanajhad could speak, Boelinger took it upon himself to insult and berate the man... before he even took the podium. Akmhanajhad called him out on it... and you know what, I agreed with the psychopath, despite how much it hurts to do so. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2007, 06:32:45 PM » |
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What Cryptomaniac said [applaud].
Thank god I live in a country that allows a man like him to speak.
What could be less Hitler-like, than to allow him to speak?
I'm so glad I live here, and not in his country.
No one should be able to filter ideas. We have to trust our citizens to make up their own minds.
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About the supposed Minuteman inconsistency. There's a difference between inviting the leader of a vital and controversial nation to give a formal address at your university, and giving a similar invitation to an interest group. No one has muzzled the Minutemen, they have as much right to speak as you or I. But I don't expect to be invited to speak in front of a university, nor do I expect the university to have to invite every interest group, from MoveOn.org to the KKK (which I am NOT comparing to the Minutemen) just to prove they give equal time to all.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2007, 07:26:21 PM » |
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I want to know why in the beginning of his speech the entire place starting clapping for the mad man... Absolutely ridiculous. That's cause before Akmhanajhad could speak, Boelinger took it upon himself to insult and berate the man... before he even took the podium. Akmhanajhad called him out on it... and you know what, I agreed with the psychopath, despite how much it hurts to do so. He insulted him? No, he simply told the guy what the majority of Americans thought about him. |
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2007, 07:43:06 PM » |
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What Cryptomaniac said [applaud].
Thank god I live in a country that allows a man like him to speak.
What could be less Hitler-like, than to allow him to speak?
I'm so glad I live here, and not in his country.
No one should be able to filter ideas. We have to trust our citizens to make up their own minds.
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About the supposed Minuteman inconsistency. There's a difference between inviting the leader of a vital and controversial nation to give a formal address at your university, and giving a similar invitation to an interest group. No one has muzzled the Minutemen, they have as much right to speak as you or I. But I don't expect to be invited to speak in front of a university, nor do I expect the university to have to invite every interest group, from MoveOn.org to the KKK (which I am NOT comparing to the Minutemen) just to prove they give equal time to all.
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2007, 07:53:04 PM » |
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The Minutemen and MoveOn.org represent vital and controversial points of view and have huge followings. Why not invite them and put their feet to the fire intellectually?
OswaldTheOsprey As part of an on-going exchange of ideas, such as in a political science seminar? By all means. Probably the more prosaic answer to your question is that the University has limited resources and limited venues and the students (most of whom are probably studying medicine or law or engineering, etc) have limited interest. |
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2007, 08:20:48 PM » |
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I want to know why in the beginning of his speech the entire place starting clapping for the mad man... Absolutely ridiculous. That's cause before Akmhanajhad could speak, Boelinger took it upon himself to insult and berate the man... before he even took the podium. Akmhanajhad called him out on it... and you know what, I agreed with the psychopath, despite how much it hurts to do so. He insulted him? No, he simply told the guy what the majority of Americans thought about him. He was called petty, cruel and uneducated. Where does a guy get off calling a leader of another country something like that AFTER setting up the forum in the first place? It's unprofessional and rude and Ahmadinejad was right to call him out on it. Would Bollinger have called out Bush like that? To his face? Unlikely. |
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2007, 08:28:30 PM » |
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I want to know why in the beginning of his speech the entire place starting clapping for the mad man... Absolutely ridiculous. That's cause before Akmhanajhad could speak, Boelinger took it upon himself to insult and berate the man... before he even took the podium. Akmhanajhad called him out on it... and you know what, I agreed with the psychopath, despite how much it hurts to do so. He insulted him? No, he simply told the guy what the majority of Americans thought about him. He was called petty, cruel and uneducated. Where does a guy get off calling a leader of another country something like that AFTER setting up the forum in the first place? It's unprofessional and rude and Ahmadinejad was right to call him out on it. Would Bollinger have called out Bush like that? To his face? Unlikely. He said that because he was facing pressure from the media. He was trying to save face. Where does he get off saying that? Ahmad is just that, a MAD man. While it may be rude, it's the truth. Do you really call the guy educated when he compares studying the hollocaust to that of physics? WOOO KOOL AID ALERT. |
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2007, 08:43:16 PM » |
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I want to know why in the beginning of his speech the entire place starting clapping for the mad man... Absolutely ridiculous. That's cause before Akmhanajhad could speak, Boelinger took it upon himself to insult and berate the man... before he even took the podium. Akmhanajhad called him out on it... and you know what, I agreed with the psychopath, despite how much it hurts to do so. He insulted him? No, he simply told the guy what the majority of Americans thought about him. He was called petty, cruel and uneducated. Where does a guy get off calling a leader of another country something like that AFTER setting up the forum in the first place? It's unprofessional and rude and Ahmadinejad was right to call him out on it. Would Bollinger have called out Bush like that? To his face? Unlikely. He said that because he was facing pressure from the media. He was trying to save face. Where does he get off saying that? Ahmad is just that, a MAD man. While it may be rude, it's the truth. Do you really call the guy educated when he compares studying the hollocaust to that of physics? WOOO KOOL AID ALERT. I just thought it was unprofessional. He invites him over and then to prevent his precious alumni fund from going bankrupt talks about the guy? Before they even let the guest speak? It's not so much what he said but when he said it... before Ahmadinejad even cleared his throat. |
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2007, 11:40:00 PM » |
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I haven't read all the posts, but here is my take:
How they treated Ahmadinejad was simply embarrassing. I think he even mentioned that in his culture, no matter how poorly who think of your guest, you still should show respect. In this country, respect is hard to find. I think this will reflect poorly on America, and just gives the rest of the world more fuel to label us all assholes.
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