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« on: September 24, 2007, 02:39:39 AM »

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Yom Kippur at Columbia
New York Sun Editorial
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Jewish students at Columbia who went to their computers after breaking the fast for Yom Kippur were met Saturday evening with a link on the Drudge Report to an interview with the dean of the School of International and Public Affairs saying that he'd have been happy to welcome Hitler to the campus. The interview, aired on Fox News, was with John Coatsworth. He is seen in the Day of Atonement broadcast chuckling like a veritable Mearsheimer or Walt. Could he be oblivious to the impact his words were going to have in a Jewish community already on notice that it's sensibilities were of little rank to either the president or the faculty of the university? Columbia, it seems, is bound and determined to honor the president of Iran and provide him with a platform to agitate against our country, and Israel, in midst of a war in which our GIs are facing Iranian backed forces on the field of battle.

Then they call conservatives nazis.....lol.....

First a terrorist is welcome then he would like to invite Hitler to speak to his fellow liberal kids......

Then they wonder why they are called fascist and terrorist supporters.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2007, 04:24:15 AM »

Actually, considering Hitler has been dead for nearly 60 years, I would be surprised if he took up that invitation... and considering the rarity of such an event, I might just go watch him Wink .

But seriously, I'm not saying Hitler is my own personal hero... but if he were giving a speech somewhere, I might try and watch. He was obviously a good speaker, especially to rally an entire country, beaten into submission and amid economic despair, behind him... so he's got to be a good orater.

Sure, I disagree with what he has done... but I wanna see what the fuss is all about.

I admit that saying this around Yom Kippur was stupid on the dean's behalf.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2007, 06:56:01 AM »

We (the U.S.) talked to Nikita Khrushchev, someone far more dangerous and aggressive than this bafoon.


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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007, 07:27:38 AM »

If you were a student at Columbia and believed that homosexuals and jews should be executed and that the incineration of Isreal would be the highpoint of human history, would Lee Bolinger permit you to use the university as a forum, or provide security so you could speak?
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 08:41:15 AM »

Regardless of the vile and hatred he will spew, I am interested to see what he has to say when questioned by Americans at a University. How very unexpected.

The thing is, even being crazy and evil, Americans are playing into his hands when they protest his visiting ground zero, which apparently isn't what he actually wanted. What he wanted was the hostility from us to protest his visit so that he can call us the evil ones when he goes home. Either way all of this hostility isn't good.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 10:04:19 AM »

Regardless of the vile and hatred he will spew, I am interested to see what he has to say when questioned by Americans at a University. How very unexpected.

The thing is, even being crazy and evil, Americans are playing into his hands when they protest his visiting ground zero, which apparently isn't what he actually wanted. What he wanted was the hostility from us to protest his visit so that he can call us the evil ones when he goes home. Either way all of this hostility isn't good.

yes, I am watching it now, and in the first 10 mins Lee Bollinger has tore into the Iranian president before he has even said a word.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 11:47:28 AM »

And this is what I can't stand.

I'm watching FOXnews and they talk to students who are all speaking rather respectfully about Akmanajhad, saying his speech was kinda long, drawn out, but they gave him credit for several points he made.

And what does that greasy haired, d-bag Shepard Smith say? He's too busy calling him a "terrorist" and asking whether this forum will give too much legitimacy to Akmanajhad and his "crimes", possibly backfiring on Columbia.

THEY DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!!!

I can't stand it. They showed 3 seconds of his reply to Bollinger, a reply that I thought was wholly reasonable. Akmanajhad made the point that it is irresponcible and rude to be brought to a forum to speak... and before he gets a word out, he is verbally assaulted.

Again, I'm not saying this guy is even that great of a human being... but at least let him speak.

It's absurd. It's illogical. It's terryfing.

FOXnews just basically said that talking to people is bad.

Why am I always surprised by this behavior?
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 12:17:06 PM »

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Akmanajhad made the point that it is irresponcible and rude to be brought to a forum to speak... and before he gets a word out, he is verbally assaulted.

Well, in America, we don't give that courtesy to our own generals reporting to Congress. What makes him think he should get better treatment than our own military commanders?

As for what he has to say...he can SAY all he wants but when he look at what he DOES, they don't square with one another.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 12:17:39 PM »

And this is what I can't stand.

I'm watching FOXnews and they talk to students who are all speaking rather respectfully about Akmanajhad, saying his speech was kinda long, drawn out, but they gave him credit for several points he made.

And what does that greasy haired, d-bag Shepard Smith say? He's too busy calling him a "terrorist" and asking whether this forum will give too much legitimacy to Akmanajhad and his "crimes", possibly backfiring on Columbia.

THEY DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!!!

I can't stand it. They showed 3 seconds of his reply to Bollinger, a reply that I thought was wholly reasonable. Akmanajhad made the point that it is irresponcible and rude to be brought to a forum to speak... and before he gets a word out, he is verbally assaulted.

Again, I'm not saying this guy is even that great of a human being... but at least let him speak.

It's absurd. It's illogical. It's terryfing.

FOXnews just basically said that talking to people is bad.

Why am I always surprised by this behavior?

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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 12:36:27 PM »

And this is what I can't stand.
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Why am I always surprised by this behavior?

It did draw your attention.  From the 'net, it seems that much of FNC's ratings come from lefties who watch it to later ridicule it or express outrage.

THEY DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!!!

Do you care very much what he has to say?  If he said that Iran would never, ever, ever pursue a nuclear device would it change your idea of Iran's true policy?

FOXnews just basically said that talking to people is bad.

Really?  Or is the idea that american universities shouldn't offer themselves as platforms to odious regimes while simutaneously refusing more conventional speakers with whom they disagree?
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 01:00:29 PM »

And this is what I can't stand.
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Why am I always surprised by this behavior?

It did draw your attention.  From the 'net, it seems that much of FNC's ratings come from lefties who watch it to later ridicule it or express outrage.

I watch it because I don't want to watch news that "pets my ego".

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THEY DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!!!

Do you care very much what he has to say?  If he said that Iran would never, ever, ever pursue a nuclear device would it change your idea of Iran's true policy?

It doesn't matter what I think he's gonna say... only what he ACTUALLY says. Everything else is irrelevent and presumptuous.

I can't even watch the whole discussion because FOXnews is too busy giving me shit. I caught part of an interview on 60 Minutes and I have to say, Akmanajhad surprised me. He didn't strike with a theological hammer and he didn't go off topic. He did an interview. I watched it. I now know what he says. My job as a partially educated human being is to watch what he does.

He's developing a nuclear program and so far, despite the world's assumption that he is making weapons, shows no military goal or movement. No one has offered proof that he wants a nuclear weapon or that he is ratchting up for war with ANY of his neighbors.

On the contrary, he's cooperating with the IAEA and questioning the US's military build up on his front stoop - a reasonable responce.

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FOXnews just basically said that talking to people is bad.

Really?  Or is the idea that american universities shouldn't offer themselves as platforms to odious regimes while simutaneously refusing more conventional speakers with whom they disagree?

So offering a platform to a speaker, regardless of popular opinion, is wrong?

Bush shouldn't be allowed to speak anywhere then.

I can't believe you, of all people, a sensible and reasonable person, would deny a person the right to speak SIMPLY because you and a majority of other people disagree with him. I disagree with him too, but it's the job of Democracy itself, not the US, to offer a podium to those who wish to speak.

If the US government refuses to talk to people is it irresponcible for other social communities inside it to let them?
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 01:27:28 PM »

And this is what I can't stand.
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Why am I always surprised by this behavior?

It did draw your attention.  From the 'net, it seems that much of FNC's ratings come from lefties who watch it to later ridicule it or express outrage.

I watch it because I don't want to watch news that "pets my ego".

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THEY DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!!!

Do you care very much what he has to say?  If he said that Iran would never, ever, ever pursue a nuclear device would it change your idea of Iran's true policy?

It doesn't matter what I think he's gonna say... only what he ACTUALLY says. Everything else is irrelevent and presumptuous.

I can't even watch the whole discussion because FOXnews is too busy giving me shit. I caught part of an interview on 60 Minutes and I have to say, Akmanajhad surprised me. He didn't strike with a theological hammer and he didn't go off topic. He did an interview. I watched it. I now know what he says. My job as a partially educated human being is to watch what he does.

He's developing a nuclear program and so far, despite the world's assumption that he is making weapons, shows no military goal or movement. No one has offered proof that he wants a nuclear weapon or that he is ratchting up for war with ANY of his neighbors.

On the contrary, he's cooperating with the IAEA and questioning the US's military build up on his front stoop - a reasonable responce.

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FOXnews just basically said that talking to people is bad.

Really?  Or is the idea that american universities shouldn't offer themselves as platforms to odious regimes while simutaneously refusing more conventional speakers with whom they disagree?

So offering a platform to a speaker, regardless of popular opinion, is wrong?

Bush shouldn't be allowed to speak anywhere then.

I can't believe you, of all people, a sensible and reasonable person, would deny a person the right to speak SIMPLY because you and a majority of other people disagree with him. I disagree with him too, but it's the job of Democracy itself, not the US, to offer a podium to those who wish to speak.

If the US government refuses to talk to people is it irresponcible for other social communities inside it to let them?

What you say is true. My only caveat against Columbia is the fact that they disinvited a speaker from the Minutemen, the anti-illegal immigration group. They should be consistent and so should all colleges and universities. However, I will not hold my breath!

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2007, 02:26:41 PM »

I think Oswald hit it pretty close.  Ahmadenijad gets to speak, but the Minutemen are disinvited?  I have never heard anything out of the Minutemen that is as appalling as what the Iranian President says.  Part of the reason people are angry over this is that this guy is far less helpful to America than the Minutemen, and yet here he is.

His rhetoric is not in line with anything that could be considered peaceful or progressive.  But lets be honest, he is FAR from the worst person we could have speaking at an American university.  He is not a war criminal nor has he overseen any type of genocide.  Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy, but there are a lot of people that would have been worse than him.  Also, as nasty as this character may be, he isn't really in control in Iran.  He doesn't call the shots.  He is a mouth - and that is about it.

But, I have to applaud Columbia's President for giving no quarter.  He didn't beat around the bush and stroke the ego of this guy.  He didn't come out and say, "Mr. President, we are so happy you are here.  Please tell us why America is so bad.  You are a great light of hope in the world - a true revolutionary.  Blah blah, blah blah."  He told him how people view him and gave him fair warning that this crowd is far less gullible than the fanatics he preaches to in Iran.

My personal feeling is that he is a world leader, and should be given the chance to speak.  With that said, I also believe that he should have to take his lashes from the audience and the hosts.  The man needs to understand that he is not going to go unchallenged here.

Indeed, this is how America shines.  Letting the man speak shows that we are a country that takes free speech very seriously.  We knew he would ridicule the US, and yet he was free to say what he wanted.  His views are not popular, and he was rightfully scorned for them.  He wasn't silenced however, and that is what sets us apart.

Today, America was the bigger man.

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2007, 03:52:36 PM »

I think Oswald hit it pretty close.  Ahmadenijad gets to speak, but the Minutemen are disinvited?  I have never heard anything out of the Minutemen that is as appalling as what the Iranian President says.  Part of the reason people are angry over this is that this guy is far less helpful to America than the Minutemen, and yet here he is.

His rhetoric is not in line with anything that could be considered peaceful or progressive.  But lets be honest, he is FAR from the worst person we could have speaking at an American university.  He is not a war criminal nor has he overseen any type of genocide.  Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy, but there are a lot of people that would have been worse than him.  Also, as nasty as this character may be, he isn't really in control in Iran.  He doesn't call the shots.  He is a mouth - and that is about it.

But, I have to applaud Columbia's President for giving no quarter.  He didn't beat around the bush and stroke the ego of this guy.  He didn't come out and say, "Mr. President, we are so happy you are here.  Please tell us why America is so bad.  You are a great light of hope in the world - a true revolutionary.  Blah blah, blah blah."  He told him how people view him and gave him fair warning that this crowd is far less gullible than the fanatics he preaches to in Iran.

My personal feeling is that he is a world leader, and should be given the chance to speak.  With that said, I also believe that he should have to take his lashes from the audience and the hosts.  The man needs to understand that he is not going to go unchallenged here.

Indeed, this is how America shines.  Letting the man speak shows that we are a country that takes free speech very seriously.  We knew he would ridicule the US, and yet he was free to say what he wanted.  His views are not popular, and he was rightfully scorned for them.  He wasn't silenced however, and that is what sets us apart.

Today, America was the bigger man.



America and Columbia should both be big enough to let the Minutemen speak. I agree with what you say, but there should not be a double standard because of Frankfurt School cultural marxism.

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