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Author Topic: U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda  (Read 1709 times)
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« on: May 31, 2008, 02:16:15 PM »

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Less than a year after his agency warned of new threats from a resurgent al-Qaeda, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden now portrays the terrorist movement as essentially defeated in Iraq and Saudi Arabia and on the defensive throughout much of the rest of the world, including in its presumed haven along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.


Clearly, the surge has resulted in an overall strengthening of the Iraqi military and weakened al-Qaeda not to mention severely weakening al-Sadr and Iran.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/29/AR2008052904116.html?hpid=topnews

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 03:14:07 AM »

And in alignment with Hayden's testimony...we have some news:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/01/alqaida.pakistan

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The death of al-Jazairi, thought to have been director of external operations for al-Qaeda and thus responsible for running the terrorist group's European and British networks, was cited by CIA chief Michael Hayden last week as one of the reasons for the 'strategic defeat' of al-Qaeda. Another top militant, Abu Laith al-Libi, was killed in February.

Reality is reality, facts are facts. Poor Abu...and by a pilotless drone. Who is terrorized now?
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 12:02:18 PM »

Assuming the facts are indeed facts, this is very good news.  I'm glad to hear about it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 12:57:55 PM »

I'm myself very impressed by "The Surge" effects. Thought most of the good developement comes from the arab themselves who turned against al-Qaida, at the time of the surge.
Maybe these arab took action thanks to some guarantee brought by more US troops ready to assist them, we don't know.

Fact is that the surge didn't result in even more amercian soldiers returning home in a coffin without any improvement as we have feared.

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 07:14:54 PM »

I'm myself very impressed by "The Surge" effects. Thought most of the good developement comes from the arab themselves who turned against al-Qaida, at the time of the surge.
Maybe these arab took action thanks to some guarantee brought by more US troops ready to assist them, we don't know.

We certainly do know. Instead of sitting in bases and protecting Green Zones, Petraeus sent troopers into neighborhoods where they did stay. We funded Sunni tribal leaders in Iraq against al-Qaeda, we went into terror havens and flushed out insurgencies the latest round happening in Mosul as we speak and yes we do know.

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Fact is that the surge didn't result in even more amercian soldiers returning home in a coffin without any improvement as we have feared.

I believe any realistic look at Iraq 6/07 vs 6/08 easily sees this statement in error.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2008, 09:00:48 PM »

Here ya go Charlie. This is the site for you. Then it will be possible to post directly from the DOD. Then maybe if and when you grow up, you'll learn the difference in DOD propaganda
and the truth from some perspective other than the one designed equally as well as Goebbles back in WWII in Germany.

ttp://www.mnf-iraq.com/

Ever hear of Rummy's "Operation Information Roadmap?"  Try googling it and you might get even a small tid bit of the big picture of how information is actually provided by the DOD.
No surprise a true believer will continue to believe.  BTW, according two this hardly anti-war site, it not only continues, but has been expanded. Too bad you really don't Charlie. There is so much to be learned by reading. Instead of just repeating talking points on an internet forum.

This old one is very interesting too.  http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/index.htm  Or even this old Source Watch might help.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Information_Operations_Roadmap

You might actually find out Charlie, that much you may read in the MSM and even out in the blogesphere is planted there for your benefit by none other than the Pentagon. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 08:03:05 AM »

Then maybe if and when you grow up

Maybe if I grow up? What in the world?

Cass, you don't like your crap being exposed and your argument bested by a smarter person, this much is clear. I'm stomping all over your arguments. Come in here, emotionally unstable...and spout nonsense...and I'm gonna toast your bread on both sides. You're as clueless as they come, absolutely obsessed with me and I think it's cause I'm destroying your credibility in here. Don't make these blatant mistakes and I'll leave you be. COntinue to expose your own cluelessness....and I'll set the toaster on 10 and feed your used arguments to the dogs.

What a tulip. And quit getting all emotional, I honestly thought you were a woman.
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 10:54:12 AM »

Exactly, Charlie, not only female, but also elderly. Not just grown up, but unlike you, also grown wise. Old enough to remember what I believed were positive advances in U.S. society, before your Alabama barstool coward puppet was old enough to begin his killing sprees as the truly evil Cheney was anointed to pull his strings.

Only the truly ignorant nor perhaps as I suggested elsewhere, fail to read and learn. On thread after thread on this forum you've shown again and again you do neither. But instead remain exceptionally naive or maybe just stupid.

Unfortunately, you fail to note both of Dubya's invasions and occupations continue to grow worse, not better. Most of the U.S.
public has long since turned against both he and his occupations. Bush will leave office, disgraced and considered even among some poor past presidents as the worst in U.S. history, even exceeding the disgraced Nixon.

But this topic is about al Qaeda.  A factor that prior to the invasion and occupation of Iraq didn't exist there. But did in both
Pakistan and Afghanistan under the leadership of Osama bin Laden and his followers including the Taliban.  What ever happened to that Texas cowboy's claim like a wanted poster from an old Western movie "dead or alive?"  Could it have been
more politically expedient to have Osama alive? A ghostly enemy to be used for fear mongering and military industrial complex
spending that has trained the treasury, created massive debt while lining the personal pockets of Bush, Cheney and a myriad
of cronies.  Maybe even yours Charlie? 

Try reading about rather than spouting Pentagon propaganda. Why not just use the site I provided and post it directly from the
DOD. Even seen what war actually looks like or maybe the results?  I suspect not.  Just a keyboard warrior spouting daily
propaganda from those who serve an Administration of liars with more lies.

You overestimate your intelligence and abilities. Obvious, not just me, but to others who inhabit this forum.  Doesn't take very
long for even one who is barely past newby status to refute your stuff. Anyone who reads can do so. Tough luck Charlie, but
you're right.  I am obsessed with liars and the lies they tell. To date you appear to be one of those who represents one of the
worst on IAP.  Even your feeble attempts at personal insults hardly bother me.  laugh   
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 12:56:01 PM »

"drained the treasury", not "trained the treasury".
(I don't think Treasury officials, under Bush, have been well trained... Cheesy)
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 03:22:55 PM »

Thank you Fredledingue, for making that correction. No question about the draining, or LOL, maybe not the training either. I should have gone back to the spell checker before clicking on "post."  I have no doubt the two of us will remain, for the most part, at opposite polls related to issues in the Middle East, but even though the issues are IMHO very serious as well
as deadly ones, I am not without a sense of humor and do appreciate your correction of my spelling error.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 04:33:17 PM »

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Fact is that the surge didn't result in even more amercian soldiers returning home in a coffin without any improvement as we have feared.

I believe any realistic look at Iraq 6/07 vs 6/08 easily sees this statement in error.

Charles, I think what Fred was trying to say was that the surge has been a success and that the critics were wrong in assuming it would just lead to more American deaths without any improvement (correct me if I am wrong Fred).

I think a case can easily be made that the situation in Iraq is improving.  Last month was the least deadly for American troops since the war began.  This is a positive result.  The tougher case to make is whether the situation has improved enough to feel that we are "out of the woods" so-to-speak.  The lack of significant political progress is incredibly frustrating, but there are signs that the violence is beginning to subside and that a good-faith reconciliation can take place in the near future.

Iraq has been horrifically difficult to pacify and I think this has to do with a weaker sense of national pride than in other states where American occupation has been successful (like Germany and Japan).  It seems to me like Iraqis are Iraqis second, but Shiite and Sunni first.  Maybe this isn't the case, but this is how it appears.  And sometimes, when people have been fostering pent-up anger for so long, it takes bloodletting before an equilibrium is reached.  I'm hoping that we are close to that equilibrium and that we will see some dramatic improvement in Iraq soon. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 05:30:09 AM »

Exactly, Charlie, not only female, but also elderly. Not just grown up, but unlike you, also grown wise. Old enough to remember what I believed were positive advances in U.S. society, before your Alabama barstool coward puppet was old enough to begin his killing sprees as the truly evil Cheney was anointed to pull his strings.


 sleepy another reference to how old, to what gender. Another Bush slam. Repeated garbage, over and over.

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Only the truly ignorant nor perhaps as I suggested elsewhere, fail to read and learn. On thread after thread on this forum you've shown again and again you do neither. But instead remain exceptionally naive or maybe just stupid.

Should I add naive to gay, arrogant, politically inactive, bigoted, and religiously fanatic? Oh, and a "maybe stupid" from someone all offended I've brought her mental stability into question. You're a hypocrite, Cass and a blatant one.

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Unfortunately, you fail to note both of Dubya's invasions and occupations continue to grow worse, not better.

I don't agree and I actually pay attention. You don't.

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Most of the U.S. public has long since turned against both he and his occupations.

Would this be the same public where only 7% can find Iraq on a map? 17% when it's clearly marked. The war and this particular war was the front burned issue in the 2004 election. Bush won handily. The public spoke then, there is one Commander in Chief, not 300 million. You've a degree in history and you're not even aware of common government structure...and question why I raise stability?

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Bush will leave office, disgraced and considered even among some poor past presidents as the worst in U.S. history


By morons.

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But this topic is about al Qaeda.


Finally! Halfway thru and she gets to the meat. Carry on, Cassie.

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A factor that prior to the invasion and occupation of Iraq didn't exist there. But did in both
Pakistan and Afghanistan under the leadership of Osama bin Laden and his followers including the Taliban.  What ever happened to that Texas cowboy's claim like a wanted poster from an old Western movie "dead or alive?"  Could it have been
more politically expedient to have Osama alive? A ghostly enemy to be used for fear mongering and military industrial complex
spending that has trained the treasury, created massive debt while lining the personal pockets of Bush, Cheney and a myriad
of cronies.  Maybe even yours Charlie?
 

More expedient to have him alive? Like killing or capturing him changes the landscape? And, the paragraph started well with the topic being "al-Qaeda" and then by the end the topic is again..."charlie". Another stability question comes to mind here, let's try to focus.

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You overestimate your intelligence and abilities.

Cassie.......oh casssssiiieeeeeeee.......focus.

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Even your feeble attempts at personal insults hardly bother me.  laugh   

Good, then we can stay on topic correct? However, they're not feeble attempts as each one receives a scathing response. Oh...you care.

The Taliban is no longer in power. OBL is probably dead or in a cave hidden. Zawahiri talks from a sketchy tape recorder inside a tent. Al-Qaeda has been decimated, piecemealed. They organize or try to in the Pakistan mountains, they no longer enjoy open training facilities and it shows, many of their recent attacks in Europe and Iraq have been sloppy and ineffective.

They have lost Afghainstan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. They're wanted by scores of nations. France finally is sendng more troops to AF and building a permanent base in the Gulf(the Iranians are a tad upset). Look at the planet, Cass. Freedom and self-determination is the force behind humanity today. The ex-Soviet States such as Bulgaria and The Ukraine. Iraq and Afghanistan.

Finally, put yourself in the Taliban or Iranian Presidential chair this am, how's it lookin?

Seriously...are you happy about your current situation status report?

Cass....have you ever looked at what OBL wants, why we were attacked?
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 09:49:59 PM »

Charlie, do you ever read past Republican talking points?  al Qaeda is gone and no longer a factor.  The U.S. military has heroically wiped them all out?  I'm still awaiting some militarist explanation of how the troops in the field identify who is al Qaeda, or who are just "insurgents" of varied types.  I'm reminded that in that earlier occupation/ war in SE Asia, if they were dead they became "Charlie," or Cong.  Wonder if it is the same. It surely appears to be. I was never in Nam, but my spouse spent two years there including Tet and flew there hauling in the arms and other cargo and hauling out the wounded and bodies until he retired.

But I guess that is really beside the point. Try this one Charlie, in your quest to assure all that al Qaeda is now toothless or maybe is dead and no longer exists. LOL, are we now planning, after all the funds we invested in Musharaff to bomb Pakistan? Wonder if Musharaff is still hiding Osama in great comfort in the Presidential Suite at the Islamabid Hilton?
I jest with that comment, but it could be true. 

Just an intro and then the full article from the very valid McClatchy is on the link.

Al Qaida's attack on Danes reveals its grip on Pakistan
By Saeed Shah    | McClatchy Newspapers
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Al Qaida's claim Thursday that it was behind this week's bombing of the Danish embassy here has exposed the deadly grip of terrorism on Pakistan and is likely to strain U.S. relations with the country, analysts said.

Pakistan is currently negotiating peace deals with Taliban extremists based in its northwest tribal territory, a policy that Washington already has criticized. The evidence of al Qaida activity in the heart of the country could further undermine U.S. confidence in Pakistan's new anti-terror approach.

"Pakistan is the global headquarters of al Qaida," said Kamran Bokhari, director of Middle East analysis at Strategic Forecasting, a private U.S. intelligence firm in Texas. "Pakistanis have been playing games and think they can manage the U.S. with the odd arrest, but the U.S. is in no mood for business as usual."


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40076.html
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 10:21:29 PM »

"drained the treasury", not "trained the treasury".
(I don't think Treasury officials, under Bush, have been well trained... Cheesy)
Nonsense!  They've been well trained at pissing away our money.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 07:12:16 AM »

Well lets just get this straight ok?

Al Qaeda was on the ropes in 2002 when they were shoved out of Afghanistan and forced to hide in Pakistan. In reality Iraq provided another hiding ground/battle ground in which to keep on fighting. Had Al Qaeda been wiped out or weakened properly before the Iraqi invasion there would be no need to jump for glee over "big gains" made against the same al Qaeda that originally was never in Iraq to begin with.

Al Qaeda grew and expanded in Iraq. That big gains have been made against this threat that was made possible only by the invasion (and more importantly the handling of the occupation) is a piss-poor example of something to be referred to as a "gain". Just my opinion.

It's like saying I spilled milk on the floor and after spending a lot of effort cleaning I "gained" a clean floor again.



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