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Author Topic: Deep ocean pipes to help mitigate the effects of CO2?  (Read 191 times)
HighPlainsDrifter
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« on: October 03, 2007, 08:30:40 AM »

An interesting potential anthropogenic climate change mitigation technique has recently been proposed by James E. Lovelock (originator of the Gaia hypothesis) in a letter to Nature journal. Briefly; it is to install vertical pipes that use wave action to bring nutrient rich deep ocean water to the surface where it will stimulate algae growth. This is hopped to have a double climate influence of speeding up the rate of carbon that becomes sequestered as some of the dead algae sinks back to the bottom of the ocean and also have the effect of increasing dimethylsulfide production that would simulate cloud formation and subsequently increase the earth’s albedo (reflectivity).

This is a different method of accomplishing the same thing as proposed by Planktos with its iron fertilization process, but it would appear to much less (fossil) energy intense, as Planktos’s plan at this time is to spread the iron out by ship.

I should mention that not everyone is convinced that this plan will be effective. Scientific papers on the topic have thus far been mixed with a tendency towards “won’t work”. There is also a risk of degrading the ocean water quality.

Anyway it is a new and unique idea that I thought you might be interested in.

For further info:

Lovelock’s letter to Nature

Discussion at Nature blog

Wikipedia’s discussion of iron fertilization

Planktos’ discussion of their science/process.
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007, 10:11:53 AM »

What kind of effect does it have on the rest of ocean life?  Doesn't algae suck up all the oxygen at night?  Not good for the already diminishing fishies.  I hate to have to pay $100 bucks for a filet of cod.  laugh
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2007, 10:08:07 AM »

This is realy playing the apprentice wizard.
We totaly ignore the consequences of such experiment and can be very dangerous.

Also I thought that the bottom of the Ocean was rich in CO2. Bringing its water to the surface could liberate more CO2 than algeas would catch.

Finaly how many tubes would we need? 1000? 1000,000? Surely that would make a good recycling for oil drilling companies when oil will be replaced by something else but I doubt we will have the money or the time to put enough tubes to have an effect rapidely.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2007, 03:55:13 PM »

Gojira, algae emit oxygen, they take up CO2. When a large amount die simultaneously and sink to depth, it is possible that they could stimulate bacterial growth to such an extent that a localized low oxygen area develops. This happens every summer in subsurface water off the mouth of the Mississippi and other places due to high nutrient runoff.  I doubt this would be a problem for 2 reasons. First, the deep ocean area is not nearly as nutrient rich as the Mississippi river, and second the flow of bottom water to the surface would not come close to that produced by the Mississippi. On top of that the areas where this is being proposed are deep ocean areas where there is typically little life at the surface. At best the life would be stimulated to a level on par with shallower areas. 

Cod costs a lot because they have been severely over-fished. Wink

Fred, I think you overstate things. Both Lovelock and I mentioned that this scheme has possible downfalls, so to say “We totaly ignore the consequences of such experiment and can be very dangerous.” is really uncalled for. Similar experiments to this have actually already been accomplished and others are on going. The difference between this idea and those is in the method of fertilization.  Besides no one is talking about building a lot of these things without long term studies.

Asking “how many will it take” is a relevant question. No doubt to completely neutralize the human carbon emissions it will take more than we could ever build. That is why I titled this thread “Deep ocean pipes to help mitigate the effects of CO2?”. At best this method could help somewhat. Like turning off that light I left on in the other room, but on a much larger scale. As I mentioned before some previous researchers have doubted the effectiveness of similar techniques. This is obviously not meant to be a panacea.

We are all playing the accidental apprentice wizard by adding so much CO2 so quickly to the atmosphere before the earth’s geosphere and biosphere can stabilize it. All the scientists that propose these ideas say we would be better off not emitting the CO2 to begin with rather than trying schemes to try to control it after the fact.

The upper layers of the ocean are absorbing CO2 as levels rise in the atmosphere. It will be centuries before much of it reaches the bottom of the deepest parts ocean. The beauty of this plan (if it works as they hope) is that the CO2 removed from the atmosphere is converted to organ forms like by the algae and other life, so CO2 levels at the bottom will not will not immediately increased as the dead algae sink to the bottom. At least that is the theory. Whether or not it will get there before being eaten and reconverted back to CO2 remains to be seen.
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