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tadpol
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« on: June 04, 2008, 09:26:42 AM »

I'm not sure I believe in such a thing. I'll accept human rights to stuff that extend to children, but I think of most rights to freedoms as being only for independent people. The idea being that responsibility and power should be linked as closely as possible.

Specifically I'm thinking about privacy. I hear that the state of California extends a right to privacy, via doctor privilege, to children in prejudice to their parents. I think protecting the freedoms of the non-responsible from those responsible for them is a bad plan. I can understand protecting a victim from their attacker while establishing justice, but in the absence of any suspicion of wrong doing I would think children should be fully ruled by their parents.

I'd like to hear about how bigoted/stupid/evil I am, if it's accompanied by an explanation.
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 01:00:20 PM »

Maybe they have faced many cases of parents careless or incompetent to raise their children.
Just my 2ct.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2008, 01:52:29 PM »

Tadpol, you are bigoted stupid and evil.  Grin

Doctors have a duty of care to their patients that supersedes everything else. Hence, for example, doctors can prescribe the pill to teenage girls without her parents knowledge or consent.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 06:08:15 AM »

I'm a little gray on teenagers as children, but if one does think of it that way (you need a judge's order here for the state to count it the other way) one cannot enter into binding contracts with a child so I wouldn't extend privilege to them.

I get that helping the patient is what doctoring is all about, but a child cannot consent to treatment, and I'm a little uncomfortable giving a doctor a free hand.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 07:23:17 AM »

In some instances, as in IamMe's example, privacy for children  or youth may allow them to grow up stronger individuals. Of course this does not always apply, and parents should often be involved I would think.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 08:23:16 AM »

It comes to point where parent and child personal abilities involved. Generally children are less experienced in life thus must be ruled by some sort of authority, firstly by parents. In some cases parents shouldn't be parents in first place. I do think marriage ritual should be done by psychiatrist and not the priest to check couple's ability to become a parent.
This would be much easier than giving freedom rights to someone who doesn't know what freedom is and will probably damage the individual. I mean the child in this case. I disagree with gommi on this one.

Again less philosophy, more action. If couples checked for validity to have children then parents would be qualified enough to decide whether they children should have certain freedoms or not. And if not then they would teach their own children how to be qualified for freedom.

Just one point to mention, this is great as teenager to have secrets from you parents but this is what parent care about. When those children will grow up no one will care about their life or their secrets unless they are Britney Spears of some kind.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 02:44:21 PM »

I get responsibility is a necessary ingredient for a responsible person, but I would say a good faith parent should have control of when and how those responsibilities are added.

Perhaps age is not the best method for dividing the self responsible from the dependent, but I can't think of any I like much better.
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