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« on: June 05, 2008, 04:05:11 AM » |
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With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, one thing has become quite coherent that Americans are not yet prepared to offer the highest post to women. However, they call themselves as one of the most liberal countries of the world! They also show that they are the only country, which is fighting for the cause of women and their rights and insisting other countries, especially Arab world to promote women and offer them high post. What do you think? I liked very much the views of an expert....you can also read his views
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 04:19:25 AM » |
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I think both you and the writer do not understand at all.
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Who will watch the watchers?Now that it is over, what are we going to talk about?
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 04:40:11 AM » |
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Shobhnasingh, Hillary actually is ahead in the popular vote while two states are being carved in half essentially not being counted....two states that Hillary won easily. Furthermore, she continues to lead Presidential polls against John McCain who if you have not noticed, is a man. Finally, is this not the catch all net of liberalism. Should Hillary have won, the question would have been "Do Americans not like a Black President". The age old and used up darned if we do, darned if we don't. Yer yanking fire alarms when there ain't no fire. That's uncool. 
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 05:48:10 AM » |
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Charles - votes that don't count, don't count. Even considering taking Michigan's votes where Clinton was the ONLY Dem on the ticket is ludicrous.
She was behind in every way she could be, unless you count improper votes. I can't believe people still claim those votes are worth anything.
I don't think it is the fact that she is a woman - she is Hillary Clinton. About a quarter of the country or more thinks she's a murderer.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 06:09:14 AM » |
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I was at JC Penneys yesterday, and passing the little girls section I saw two displays with underwear/panties with lace, bright colors... the works. It looked like a Candies ad, for little girls. Sometimes I think this country takes the freedom women have a bit too far. Little girls don't understand that wearing that underwear makes them sexy, they just look at it as fun and trying to be like the girls they want to emulate on TV, in their neighborhood, older sisters, etc. But, it's not as if there is a grand leader teaching anyone how to treat women, or teaching women how to be proper ladies. With freedom comes greed and flawed values over mass communication. Hillary makes a great example for how women should behave, and how they can be strong and capable. Her flaws were pretty impressive as well.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 06:25:21 AM » |
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Charles - votes that don't count, don't count. Even considering taking Michigan's votes where Clinton was the ONLY Dem on the ticket is ludicrous. Oh I Know. However, a Party who screams about Florida and is now silent about Michigan and Florida...and this ridiculous super delegate nonsense where a candidate IS selected..... She was behind in every way she could be, unless you count improper votes. I can't believe people still claim those votes are worth anything. Is she? I'm honestly not aware, in fact I'm mistakenly taking her word for it. I've heard her several times allude to being the popular vote leader. Is this not true, is she lying thru her teeth again? I don't think it is the fact that she is a woman - she is Hillary Clinton. About a quarter of the country or more thinks she's a murderer.
I don't know about that. She's run a terrible and ineffective campaign. She's clearly the most overrated political figure in history..or one of them. She blamed her husbands stupidity on a Republican machine, she's ducking from sniper fire using a child as a shield, she's all about experience but not wanting her records revealed, she's a fraud and a circus clown. However...to suggest a woman can't win with her absolute clear and strong support is hogwash. She leads McCain in polls if you believe polls, the author who started this thread is dead wrong.
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 07:05:24 AM » |
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People voted for her and she won 9 of the last 15 primaries... even WHEN for the last 15 primaries people we being told IT OVER!!
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 07:15:16 AM » |
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Oh I Know. However, a Party who screams about Florida and is now silent about Michigan and Florida...and this ridiculous super delegate nonsense where a candidate IS selected..... Legal votes and illegal votes are not the same, no matter how many times you pretend otherwise. In Florida, they wanted the legal votes counted - by law, they should have all been recounted due to the smalll margin, but lawsuits and stupdity and dopey Florida lws made a recount impossible. Florida and Michigan were told in August if they moved their primaries, their delegates would be stripped. I am pissed off that they are having some seated - it only begs for more rule breaking down the road. In 1996, Delaware tried this - the DNC stripped them of all their delegates and they rescheduled their primary to a legal time. Superdelegates are the Dems way - so what? As long as the party agrees (and they do) who cares? Are you a Dem? If so, start a petitition to get the rules changed. If you are not a Dem, why are you whining about their agreed and voted upon methods?
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 08:38:20 AM » |
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With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, one thing has become quite coherent that Americans are not yet prepared to offer the highest post to women. However, they call themselves as one of the most liberal countries of the world! They also show that they are the only country, which is fighting for the cause of women and their rights and insisting other countries, especially Arab world to promote women and offer them high post. What do you think? I liked very much the views of an expert....you can also read his views Hillary's a woman?
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 08:41:17 AM » |
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But, it's not as if there is a grand leader teaching anyone how to treat women, or teaching women how to be proper ladies. Actually, they're called parents.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 10:22:33 AM » |
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Wait, wait, wait... Amreica, probably one of the more racially divided nation on the planet (except for maybe South Africa and France) just elected a black guy for president over a white woman... and it happened cause we're sexist? Hillary Clinton was the media-crowned nominy 5 months ago when this whole damn thing started and Obama comes from behind, takes a decisive lead and keeps that lead until now... but it only happened cause she was a woman? That's ridiculous. It was between a black man and a white woman. If Hillary got the nomination the country would be racist... and if Obama gets the nomination the country is sexist? Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.  Only ONE person can sit in the chair, shobhnasingh.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 11:19:02 AM » |
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With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, one thing has become quite coherent that Americans are not yet prepared to offer the highest post to women. However, they call themselves as one of the most liberal countries of the world! They also show that they are the only country, which is fighting for the cause of women and their rights and insisting other countries, especially Arab world to promote women and offer them high post. What do you think? I liked very much the views of an expert....you can also read his views It had nothing to do with Hillary being being a woman and everything to do with her being another sleazy Clinton. America had 8 years of her welfare-gutting rapist war-criminal husband, they do not need any more Clintons. And, furthermore, Obama would be a fool to put her on the ticket and accept all that baggage. He'd be much better going for Edwards, or Gore (a longshot, but it would be good).
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 01:18:06 PM » |
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It had nothing to do with Hillary being being a woman and everything to do with her being another sleazy Clinton. America had 8 years of her welfare-gutting rapist war-criminal husband, they do not need any more Clintons. And, furthermore, Obama would be a fool to put her on the ticket and accept all that baggage. He'd be much better going for Edwards, or Gore (a longshot, but it would be good).
I actually agree. Gore or Edwards would be perfect for Obama. One clueless moron and another for Vice Pres.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 04:56:30 PM » |
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Who are these "Really Americans" anyhow?
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 05:39:51 PM » |
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Are any of those who are commenting women? Though I don't know for sure, I suspect not. Reality check. Sexism and racism in the U.S. remain though there are very important changes that have taken place during the 20th Century.
As a woman, nothing would please me more to see a woman not only run for president, but also be able to see her elected and inaugurated. For me, for a myriad of reasons Senator Clinton was not a woman I would chose nor did I vote for her in the CA primary which is not an open primary. As a registered Democrat, I chose to vote for another candidate. In fact because of an extremely early endorsement of Clinton by a PAC, Emily's List, I have contributed to for years, I did not contribute as I typically would have and as a member of the National Organization For Women's PAC also endorsed her very early, I did not pay my membership dues this year for the first time since the 1970s when the organization began.
I firmly believe at some future date a woman will serve as POTUS. For me Clinton was not that woman nor IMHO is there one with the appropriated qualifications who also shares my beliefs waiting in the wings. My choice had nothing to do with gender, but a combination of a variety of factors. Her legislative history IMHO is lacking and her vote to provide an authorization of force for an attack on Iran, without consultation with Congress, easily used by the current Administration sealed the deal for me.
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