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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2008, 06:07:32 PM » |
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With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, one thing has become quite coherent that Americans are not yet prepared to offer the highest post to women. However, they call themselves as one of the most liberal countries of the world! They also show that they are the only country, which is fighting for the cause of women and their rights and insisting other countries, especially Arab world to promote women and offer them high post.
What do you think? I think I reject your premise. You write: "With the defeat of Hillary Clinton, one thing has become quite coherent that Americans are not yet prepared to offer the highest post to women." (I imagine you mean "clear" rather than "coherent.") I disagree. I am pretty sure, and so are many liberal political pundits, that Clinton would have had clear sailing to the nomination had she come out against the war in 2002, along with 23 other Democratic Senators who chose the right vote rather than to support President Stupid. That vote and her constant support for Bush's catastrophic mistake opened the door for Obama. It was her judgement that lost her the nomination, not her gender. Then you wrote "However, they call themselves as one of the most liberal countries of the world!" Who, exactly, makes that claim? By almost any measure, the United States is positioned solidly to the political right of almost every other developed democracy. We have among the lowest tax rates, the weakest social safety net, and are the only one that doesn't cover every citizen's health insurance as a right of citizenship. |
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2008, 06:21:18 PM » |
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Her legislative history IMHO is lacking and her vote to provide an authorization of force for an attack on Iran, without consultation with Congress, easily used by the current Administration sealed the deal for me.
Sorry....without "consultation" with Congress? She was in the Congress and was consulted when she voted for the Authorization for war in 2002...was she not? |
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2008, 06:35:14 PM » |
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Charlie, I think you're referring to the authorization of force to attack IRAQ. What I'm referring to is the Lieberman/Kyl Amendment to the Defense Authorization Act of 2008. It took
place and was voted on in 2007 as such legislation is accomplished for the next fiscal year.
The information regarding that Amendment is available and on another thread I actually posted the full Amendment when I was asked previously about it. The Amendment provided the basis for an attack not on IRAQ, but IRAN. You might try Thomas on any Senator's website, related to that legislation or do a search of my posts. I don't intend to do your research for you. Clinton voted for the Amendment. It was the final straw for me.
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2008, 07:22:45 PM » |
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We have among the lowest tax rates, the weakest social safety net, and are the only one that doesn't cover every citizen's health insurance as a right of citizenship. Thank you, Lord!!! And as a result, the vast majority of us live to a level most any other country can only dream of! But to your point...Hillary sucks. Obama beat her butt. She needs to get over it and let's get on to other things. |
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2008, 07:30:56 PM » |
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Shobhnasingh, Hillary actually is ahead in the popular vote while two states are being carved in half essentially not being counted....two states that Hillary won easily. Here are the facts:  One can only claim that Hillary is actually ahead in the popular vote if you pretend that the caucus states don't really count. Which would be a highly misleading (dishonest?) thing to do. |
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2008, 05:01:49 AM » |
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I'm a woman, I've made my comment. I don't think that communally, there is enough positive reinforcement for women to aspire to be something better than a sex object unless you're born into a higher class and even then the mass media may compete with your role models.
I have always liked the Clinton's sleaziness, because I think it takes a bit of sleaziness to make it in politics, especially when you're not a 'good' rockstar like Obama. Obama is a bit of a conundrum in politics, most honest and non-corrupt people don't make it all the way to presidential nominee. The only real problem I have with Obama, and the main reason I would have rather had Clinton, is that his father abandoned him. His one figure that would have shown him how to be a man abandoned him and for years and years. And of course, he seems to have Daddy issues because he wrote a book about his father, the father who didn't even love him enough to have much of anything to do with him until he was older. I think that within the seemingly tough/fair/balanced exterior that Obama projects, there is a serious psychological abandonment issue, as well as the issues he has for having been mixed race and moving around so many times. Though, no matter what, I think that with those issues, he will never ever come close to being as terrible of a leader of our country as the Neocons have been.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2008, 08:32:48 AM » |
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One can only claim that Hillary is actually ahead in the popular vote if you pretend that the caucus states don't really count. Which would be a highly misleading (dishonest?) thing to do. Dishonesty...from Hillary. I cannot believe that! |
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2008, 09:12:52 AM » |
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I'm a woman, I've made my comment. I don't think that communally, there is enough positive reinforcement for women to aspire to be something better than a sex object unless you're born into a higher class and even then the mass media may compete with your role models.
I have always liked the Clinton's sleaziness, because I think it takes a bit of sleaziness to make it in politics, especially when you're not a 'good' rockstar like Obama. Obama is a bit of a conundrum in politics, most honest and non-corrupt people don't make it all the way to presidential nominee. The only real problem I have with Obama, and the main reason I would have rather had Clinton, is that his father abandoned him. His one figure that would have shown him how to be a man abandoned him and for years and years. And of course, he seems to have Daddy issues because he wrote a book about his father, the father who didn't even love him enough to have much of anything to do with him until he was older. I think that within the seemingly tough/fair/balanced exterior that Obama projects, there is a serious psychological abandonment issue, as well as the issues he has for having been mixed race and moving around so many times. Though, no matter what, I think that with those issues, he will never ever come close to being as terrible of a leader of our country as the Neocons have been.
Honest and non-corrupt? Obama?? have you not read anything aboput this charlatain? he is a liar , who just says things that he makes up. Read about his Chicago mansion.. how he doubled his land for cents on the dollar... Ever here of rezco.. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2008, 10:26:55 AM » |
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We are ready for a woman president...just not her.
There is one woman that comes to mind who I would vote for president...I think the OP doesn't understand AMerican politics, thats all.
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2008, 10:27:02 AM » |
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We are ready for a woman president...just not her.
There is one woman that comes to mind who I would vote for president...I think the OP doesn't understand American politics, thats all.
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2008, 11:59:44 AM » |
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The only real problem I have with Obama, and the main reason I would have rather had Clinton, is that his father abandoned him. His one figure that would have shown him how to be a man abandoned him and for years and years. And of course, he seems to have Daddy issues because he wrote a book about his father, the father who didn't even love him enough to have much of anything to do with him until he was older. I think that within the seemingly tough/fair/balanced exterior that Obama projects, there is a serious psychological abandonment issue, as well as the issues he has for having been mixed race and moving around so many times. Though, no matter what, I think that with those issues, he will never ever come close to being as terrible of a leader of our country as the Neocons have been.
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2008, 12:34:06 PM » |
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The only real problem I have with Obama, and the main reason I would have rather had Clinton, is that his father abandoned him. What, in God's name, are you talking about? Seriously, this has to be the dumbest statement I've heard concerning a candidate this year. And believe me, that's saying something. |
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