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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2008, 12:21:52 PM » |
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in cultral revolution some bad thing were done.
Few million people here and there dead due to the Communist government, but who cares, right? The Cultural Revolution and the Great Jump Forward rank right up with the Holocaust and the Rwandan genocides as some of the greatest evil and brutality that human has ever inflicted upon other humans. |
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2008, 12:53:26 PM » |
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in cultral revolution some bad thing were done.
Few million people here and there dead due to the Communist government, but who cares, right? The Cultural Revolution and the Great Jump Forward rank right up with the Holocaust and the Rwandan genocides as some of the greatest evil and brutality that human has ever inflicted upon other humans. Yeah, right up there with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the bombing of Dresden ... If you ever wake up from your dream, don't forget to ask for a cookie ... |
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2008, 01:18:55 PM » |
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Yeah, right up there with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the bombing of Dresden ...
Talk about terrible comparisons. Those were all wartime acts. The Holocaust, the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward and the Rwandan Genocide were all atrocities were not wartime acts. The brutal Communist dictatorship forced the deaths of MILLIONS of innocent Chinese in their bungled attempt at purging. How many died in Hiroshima...200,000? How many people did Chairman Mao execute by his forced policies during the Great Leap? 30 million? Any reasonable person could not compare the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (which saved maybe one million American lives) to the brutality of the Chinese government in killing 30 million of their own people. But you're not reasonable, so that's too much to expect of you. |
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2008, 08:56:25 PM » |
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in cultral revolution some bad thing were done.
Few million people here and there dead due to the Communist government, but who cares, right? The Cultural Revolution and the Great Jump Forward rank right up with the Holocaust and the Rwandan genocides as some of the greatest evil and brutality that human has ever inflicted upon other humans. nonsense. holocaust was pure evil. but cultural reovultion was mistake by mao. but it didn't intend great evil. people died because agricultural policies were wrong. not becfause mao was like hitler. |
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2008, 10:35:00 PM » |
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Yeah, right up there with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the bombing of Dresden ...
How many people did Chairman Mao execute by his forced policies during the Great Leap? 30 million? Any reasonable person could not compare the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (which saved maybe one million American lives) But you're not reasonable, so that's too much to expect of you. ROFL .... |
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2008, 10:44:52 PM » |
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Yeah, right up there with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the bombing of Dresden ...
How many people did Chairman Mao execute by his forced policies during the Great Leap? 30 million? Any reasonable person could not compare the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (which saved maybe one million American lives) But you're not reasonable, so that's too much to expect of you. ROFL .... what do you expect from a racist american. |
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2008, 10:49:45 PM » |
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Yeah, right up there with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the bombing of Dresden ...
How many people did Chairman Mao execute by his forced policies during the Great Leap? 30 million? Any reasonable person could not compare the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (which saved maybe one million American lives) But you're not reasonable, so that's too much to expect of you. ROFL .... Your one million figure for "saved" lives is entirely hypothetical and redicolous, but let's not debate that. You know, terror bombing and killing over a million civilians in targeted strikes as was done in Dresden and the 2nd Japanese bombing is a war crime even if you happen to help you win the war. And as it happens Dresden and the second bombing in Japan are probably the worst war crimes in human history ... |
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2008, 11:45:17 PM » |
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in cultral revolution some bad thing were done.
Few million people here and there dead due to the Communist government, but who cares, right? The Cultural Revolution and the Great Jump Forward rank right up with the Holocaust and the Rwandan genocides as some of the greatest evil and brutality that human has ever inflicted upon other humans. nonsense. holocaust was pure evil. but cultural reovultion was mistake by mao. but it didn't intend great evil. people died because agricultural policies were wrong. not because mao was like hitler. Even when he tried policies similar to those which had already created the largest man-made famine (millions of Ukrainians were killed in the Soviet attempt) in human history before that time when he had to have known that sort of thing had killed so many. The simpler and more probable explanation is less flattering;he didn't give a damn because he cared more for ideology and power than for his own people. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2008, 06:59:50 AM » |
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nonsense. holocaust was pure evil. but cultural reovultion was mistake by mao. but it didn't intend great evil. people died because agricultural policies were wrong. not becfause mao was like hitler.
Mao is pure evil. His evil government has now led to the oppression of billions of people. His evil government caused the deaths of TENS OF MILLIONS of people. What is amusing to me is that even after he murders TENS OF MILLIONS of people, you have been so brainwashed, so inundated with Communist propaganda that you still defend his awful regime. I know -- you're Chinese. You can't speak out against your government. If you speak against them, you get thrown in jail, beaten and executed. I forgive you. |
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2008, 07:08:28 AM » |
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Your one million figure for "saved" lives is entirely hypothetical and redicolous, but let's not debate that. You truly are ignorant. Operation Downfall, the planned invasion of the Japanese homeland, had two components: Operation Olympic and Coronet. In April of 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff estimated American casualties for the completion of both Operations to be 1.2 million men. There's nothing ridiculous about it. The American military manufactured 500,000 Purple Hearts in anticipation of our casualties. We're still using them to this day. You are a stupid, ignorant sod. I especially love the "lets not debate" coda -- You know you're wrong - "but let's not debate that". Please, embarrass yourself further. You know, terror bombing and killing over a million civilians in targeted strikes as was done in Dresden and the 2nd Japanese bombing is a war crime even if you happen to help you win the war. And as it happens Dresden and the second bombing in Japan are probably the worst war crimes in human history Rubbish. Mao's murder of TENS OF MILLIONS of people is a far greater crime than American military action to end a war and save lives. [/quote] |
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2008, 09:19:42 AM » |
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You are a stupid, ignorant sod. I especially love the "lets not debate" coda -- You know you're wrong - "but let's not debate that". Please, embarrass yourself further.
I didn't want to debate that because it is irrelevant, dumbass. That for the simple reason that EVEN if it was indeed true which is highly unlikely, it would not justify over a million civilian casualties. Ever heard of the Geneva convention - you that one that US military forces routinely breech on a daily basis ? Not even a moron like you can be serious about trusting US official military sources when they try to justify the greatest "collateral damage" (which is what the military usually call their mass murders of civilians) in human history ?  Many of the guilty from the time of of the cultural revolution have been tried and punished in China, but none of the american/british war criminals who murdered a million civilians or more in Dresden and the two nuclear bombings have been tried and punished. But I guess your "high" moral standards do no apply to the US ... |
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2008, 09:42:48 AM » |
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I didn't want to debate that because it is irrelevant, dumbass. That for the simple reason that EVEN if it was indeed true which is highly unlikely, it would not justify over a million civilian casualties. Ever heard of the Geneva convention - you that one that US military forces routinely breech on a daily basis ? Garbage. Pure garbage. Do you even think before you post? Since you offer no counter to the fact that 1.2 million American lives were saved other than your rantings about something being highly unlikely with not a whit of justification or support, we can safely assume that figure is accurate. Since you are such an ignorant sack of refuse, I trust you do not know that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to the use of weapons of war - rather they only apply to the treatment of prisoners of war. How in the hell do the Geneva Conventions in any way address the decision by the US government to preserve 1.2 million American lives by using atomic weapons against Japan. Cite the Article and Section of the Geneva Convention that applies to the use of atomic weapons. Moron. Still, you miss the bigger point (unsurprisingly given your limited ability to think and respond) -- the use of those weapons saved more loves than they took and brought about an end to a brutal war. The Chinese government, rather, MURDERED TENS OF MILLIONS of people - not in war, not in defense of country, but through stupidity and pride. Totally different scenarios. Only a brain-dead slug like yourself would try to create moral equivalencies between the two. Many of the guilty from the time of of the cultural revolution have been tried and punished in China Again, false. You lie as easily as breathe. [/quote] |
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2008, 11:23:59 AM » |
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Ok, now we have seen that there is no limit to your stupidity. Here is the text that you have failed to learn that states clearly that targetting of civilians is a war crime according to the Geneva and Hague conventions: http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/powerpoint/Geneva_Convention_Presentations/identify-the-key-elements-2.shtml Actually it is not surprising that you don't have a clue, since the US military seems equally clueless and routinely and on a daily basis continue to violate these basic rules of war. This is even though they are supposed to have read and studied these international conventions as part of their training. Apparently the US military education system fails as miserably as the civilian school system. Somehow I get the feeling you must be a proof of both these failures ... There is no strategic military goal whatsoever that justifies targetting of civilians, and that makes the US responsible for perhaps the worst war crimes in human history, whether you like it or not. That you suggest we listen to the US propaganda is laughable, and just proves what a brainwashed little idiot you are. It's amazing that they managed to find your miniscule little brain so they could actually wash it so completely blank of any sense and reason. It's time for you to go back posting on your little alt "Canadianbob". Actually for a while I though I had banished your sorry ass bigotry for good on these forums ... I didn't want to debate that because it is irrelevant, dumbass. That for the simple reason that EVEN if it was indeed true which is highly unlikely, it would not justify over a million civilian casualties. Ever heard of the Geneva convention - you that one that US military forces routinely breech on a daily basis ? Garbage. Pure garbage. Do you even think before you post? Since you offer no counter to the fact that 1.2 million American lives were saved other than your rantings about something being highly unlikely with not a whit of justification or support, we can safely assume that figure is accurate. Since you are such an ignorant sack of refuse, I trust you do not know that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to the use of weapons of war - rather they only apply to the treatment of prisoners of war. How in the hell do the Geneva Conventions in any way address the decision by the US government to preserve 1.2 million American lives by using atomic weapons against Japan. Cite the Article and Section of the Geneva Convention that applies to the use of atomic weapons. Moron. Still, you miss the bigger point (unsurprisingly given your limited ability to think and respond) -- the use of those weapons saved more loves than they took and brought about an end to a brutal war. The Chinese government, rather, MURDERED TENS OF MILLIONS of people - not in war, not in defense of country, but through stupidity and pride. Totally different scenarios. Only a brain-dead slug like yourself would try to create moral equivalencies between the two. Many of the guilty from the time of of the cultural revolution have been tried and punished in China Again, false. You lie as easily as breathe. [/quote] |
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2008, 12:10:25 PM » |
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Haha, found another hilarious piece where your lies yet again fail : http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920973,00.html?promoid=googlepNoone has ever been tried and punished for the US war crimes involving the bombings of Dresden and the two Japanese cities at the end of WW2. Again, where are the moral standards of the US when we need them ? [ Many of the guilty from the time of of the cultural revolution have been tried and punished in China Again, false. You lie as easily as breathe. [/quote] |
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2008, 12:14:05 PM » |
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Are you a complete dolt? Do you even READ the links you post?? Tell you what, chuckles, try reading your *own* link before you go spouting off your dribble. Here's what you cite: Enabling Learning Objective A
Identify the key elements of the Hague and Geneva Conventions that pertain to small unit combat operations. You're so stupid you didn't even read it, did you? Your source only pertains to small unit combat operations. Keep on embarassing yourself. It's fun to watch. CITE THE ARTICLE AND SECTION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS THAT FORBAD DROPPING ATOMIC WEAPONS. DO IT. Is that clear enough for your addled brain? So let's get your argument straight: Saving 1.2 million American lives during wartime is somehow the "greatest crime against humanity" while Chairman Mao starving 20 million people during peacetime is, well, peaches? Wow. You go with that in whatever fantasy-land it is in which you reside. You're beyond redemption. Because you have the attention span of a gnat, again, CITE THE ARTICLE AND SECTION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION THAT PROHIBITS THE USE OF ATOMIC WEAPONS. Thanks. |
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