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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2008, 12:17:57 PM » |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. You're hilarious. Did you read the piece? Tell you what, before I flay you further, read the piece again. Go ahead.... You're cute. But entertaining. Thanks for trying though. (Hint: the piece is about a political show-trial where dissidents were convicted of basically not being loyal to the right people... it has NOTHING to do with being tried for killing 20 million people...) God you're stupid. But funny, I'll give you that. Link another article, please. It's funny! Here's a quote from YOUR article that you claim substantiates that China took action against officials who caused the deaths of 20 million Chinese: The trial was, in fact, largely an act of vengeance by the officials currently in power, most of whom had been purged during the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution. It was a revenge trial for not being loyal to the right Communist thugs..... Strike three bozo. |
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2008, 12:40:16 PM » |
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Dumbass, let us recap: 1. You claim noone has ever been tried and punished for the crimes during the cultural revolution 2. I provide proof that several members of the government from that period has indeed been tried and punished What did you expect ? That the criminals should sentence themselves ? Your stupidity really know no limits. Your response only further accentuates your complete ignorance when it comes to China and its history. Now, provide proof someone has been punished for the US war crimes, or go back to posting on you alt you spineless little worm ... HAHAHAHAHAHA. You're hilarious. Did you read the piece? Tell you what, before I flay you further, read the piece again. Go ahead.... You're cute. But entertaining. Thanks for trying though. (Hint: the piece is about a political show-trial where dissidents were convicted of basically not being loyal to the right people... it has NOTHING to do with being tried for killing 20 million people...) God you're stupid. But funny, I'll give you that. Link another article, please. It's funny! Here's a quote from YOUR article that you claim substantiates that China took action against officials who caused the deaths of 20 million Chinese: The trial was, in fact, largely an act of vengeance by the officials currently in power, most of whom had been purged during the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution. It was a revenge trial for not being loyal to the right Communist thugs..... Strike three bozo. |
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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2008, 12:50:46 PM » |
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CITE THE ARTICLE AND SECTION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS THAT FORBAD DROPPING ATOMIC WEAPONS. DO IT
Nice try moron - Why would I go googling for your benefit, you are the one with a fixation for nuclear weapons. Somehow I can't believe my eyes - are you suggesting targetting civilians with nuclear weapons is NOT a war crime ? You are clearly deranged .... Did you forget your medication ? |
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2008, 12:57:44 PM » |
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1. You claim noone has ever been tried and punished for the crimes during the cultural revolution
2. I provide proof that several members of the government from that period has indeed been tried and punished
What did you expect ? That the criminals should sentence themselves ? Your stupidity really know no limits.
At least you admit that the Chinese government dictators are criminals. That's progress. I did NOT claim that no one has ever been tried and punished for crimes during the Cultural Revolution. You are a liar. *You* claimed: Many of the guilty from the time of of the cultural revolution have been tried and punished in China in response to my notation that the Chinese murdered 20-30 million of their own citizens. I, rightly, called you a liar. Your refutation is an article about one political faction taking revenge on another. NO ONE was tried and found guilty of the inhumane crimes that they perpetrated upon the Chinese people. You have the logical skills of a drunken sloth. POST THE ARTICLE AND CHAPTER FROM THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS THAT BANS THE USE OF ATOMIC WEAPONS. I'm still waiting for that one, chuckles. YOU CLAIMED THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS BAN THE USE OF ATOMIC WEAPONS. PROVE IT. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK. |
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2008, 01:09:24 PM » |
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Why would I go googling for your benefit, you are the one with a fixation for nuclear weapons. Again, you lie. You're the one who brought up nuclear weapons. Not me. Awww, is it too hard to prove up your claim?? Gee, I'm so sowwwy. Kleenex? Why don't you prove your claim. Prove that the use of the atomic bomb was in violation of the Geneva Conventions. You asserted it. Now prove it, moron. Cite the Article. are you suggesting targetting civilians with nuclear weapons is NOT a war crime ? Yes. It was not a war crime because it SAVED more lives than it cost. It was not a war crime because the Japanese refused to surrender and there's no use expending 1.2 million American lives when the loss of 200,000 Japanese ones will do the same thing. It was gruesome. Not a war crime. |
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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2008, 01:16:10 PM » |
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I did NOT claim that no one has ever been tried and punished for crimes during the Cultural Revolution. You are a liar.
This is really hilarious - seems that you are the liar - I rest my case.  Many of the guilty from the time of of the cultural revolution have been tried and punished in China
Again, false. You lie as easily as breathe.[/quote] |
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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2008, 01:54:01 PM » |
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are you suggesting targetting civilians with nuclear weapons is NOT a war crime ? Yes. It was not a war crime because it SAVED more lives than it cost. It was not a war crime because the Japanese refused to surrender and there's no use expending 1.2 million American lives when the loss of 200,000 Japanese ones will do the same thing. It was gruesome. Not a war crime. ROFL - I can't believe anyone, even you, is dumb enough to defend the use of nuclear weapons against civilian targets. Clutching at straws are we ? Even if you were to be right about that the murder of 200000 civilians stopped the war and saved american soldier's lives, it would be completely irrelevant. It is not possible - international law forbids targetting of civilians, and has done so since early last century idiot. Your argument is dead in the water, you little brainless worm. Get it now ? - I guess not. ROFL Now for the other part of it - your argument is not only dead in the water, it is also utterly bogus. Here are what some of the high ranking officials had to say about the use of nuclear weapons agains civilians later on . Somehow these people has/had a bit more credibility than a spineless little moron like you. "...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."
- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380 (Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman) "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
- William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.
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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2008, 01:56:40 PM » |
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I can't believe anyone, even you, is dumb enough to defend the use of nuclear weapons against civilian targets. Clutching at straws are we ? Even if you were to be right about that the murder of 200000 civilians stopped the war and saved american soldier's lives, it would be completely irrelevant. It is not possible - international law forbids targetting of civilians, and has done so since early last century idiot. Your argument is dead in the water, you little brainless worm. Get it now ? - I guess not. ROFL Little imbecile, what's your problem? America should have left the Japanese butcher your people in concentration camps! If I remember well, that is how Japanese military doctors practiced medicine with Chinese prisoners: cut them alive into small pieces, for the sake of glorious Emperor. If it wasn't for America to intervene in WWII, you wouldn't even breath right now. |
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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2008, 03:45:42 PM » |
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Even if you were to be right about that the murder of 200000 civilians stopped the war and saved american soldier's lives, it would be completely irrelevant. It is not possible - international law forbids targetting of civilians, and has done so since early last century idiot.
You are woefully ignorant on this subject, this you have made clear. You might want to do a little research before speaking again, as it was not just American soldiers that were saved. Casualty figures for Japanese civilians in a traditional landing by sea invasion were several factors higher than actual casualties from the atomic weapons. |
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2008, 04:26:38 PM » |
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Even if you were to be right about that the murder of 200000 civilians stopped the war and saved american soldier's lives, it would be completely irrelevant. It is not possible - international law forbids targetting of civilians, and has done so since early last century idiot.
Liar. Prove your claim. You claimed the Geneva Conventions forbad the use of the atomic bomb. Prove your claim. CITE THE ARTICLE THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. Liar. You truly are an ignorant sod. |
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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2008, 11:49:53 PM » |
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Yes. It was not a war crime because it SAVED more lives than it cost. It was not a war crime because the Japanese refused to surrender and there's no use expending 1.2 million American lives when the loss of 200,000 Japanese ones will do the same thing. It was gruesome. Not a war crime.
What about: US backing of chiles pinochet. US backing of soeharto - more than 500,000 people killed US in vietnam - 1 million vietnamese killed US conquering of north america - 10 million people killed US backing genocide of natives in south american countries |
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« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2008, 05:55:41 AM » |
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More entirely hypothetical arguments ... They may be true but probably are not. In any case they are completely irrelevant, there is no justification for intentionally targetting and murdering hundreds of thousands civilians with nuclear weapons. There is no justification for murdering upwards a million civilians as was done in Dresden either. Military strikes against civilians is a war crime - get it ?
Even if you were to be right about that the murder of 200000 civilians stopped the war and saved american soldier's lives, it would be completely irrelevant. It is not possible - international law forbids targetting of civilians, and has done so since early last century idiot.
You are woefully ignorant on this subject, this you have made clear. You might want to do a little research before speaking again, as it was not just American soldiers that were saved. Casualty figures for Japanese civilians in a traditional landing by sea invasion were several factors higher than actual casualties from the atomic weapons. |
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« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2008, 06:02:38 AM » |
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I already caught you lying once in this thread. As for the issue with the Geneva Convention, I could catch you again on this issue, but I am starting to feel bad about making fun of a retard like you so I have decided to give you a way out: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/If you bring up this issue again, I'll post the link for you, and then you will have proven yourself too stupid to google it yourself, you lying little bitch ... Even if you were to be right about that the murder of 200000 civilians stopped the war and saved american soldier's lives, it would be completely irrelevant. It is not possible - international law forbids targetting of civilians, and has done so since early last century idiot.
Liar. Prove your claim. You claimed the Geneva Conventions forbad the use of the atomic bomb. Prove your claim. CITE THE ARTICLE THAT PROVES YOUR POINT. Liar. You truly are an ignorant sod. |
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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2008, 06:14:16 AM » |
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Military strikes against civilians is a war crime - get it ?
So where are your outcries against rockets fired into Israel that target civilian populations? |
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« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2008, 06:39:04 AM » |
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I already caught you lying once in this thread.
False. You are the liar. You lied about the Chinese government prosecuting the awful crimes perpetrated upon the Chinese people by Mao. You posted an article about a political revenge trial as proof that people were held to task for their roles in killing millions of people. You are a farce. As to the Geneva Convention: IT'S YOUR CONTENTION. NOT MINE. PROVE YOUR WORDS. POST THE ARTICLE AND QUOTE THE SECTION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION THAT PROHIBITS THE USE OF ATOMIC WEAPONS. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO STATED IT. NOT ME. PROVE UP YOUR OWN LYING WORDS. YOU'RE FAILURE TO DO SO IS PROOF ENOUGH OF YOUR CONTINUED LIES. |
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