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« on: June 06, 2008, 07:33:18 AM »

By Dick Morris And Eileen McGann

On his first day as the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama made his first clear, serious mistake: He named Eric Holder as one of three people charged with vice-presidential vetting.

As deputy attorney general, Holder was the key person who made the pardon of Marc Rich possible in the final hours of the Clinton presidency. Now, Obama will be stuck in the Marc Rich mess.

If ever there was a person who did not deserve a presidential pardon, it’s Marc Rich, the fugitive billionaire who renounced his US citizenship and moved to Switzerland to avoid prosecution for racketeering, wire fraud, 51 counts of tax fraud, evading $48 million in taxes, and engaging in illegal trades with Iran in violation of the US embargo following the 1979-80 hostage crisis.

Seventeen years later, Rich wanted a pardon, and he retained Jack Quinn, former counsel to the president, to lobby his old boss.

It was Holder who had originally recommended Quinn to one of Rich’s advisers, although he claims that he did not know the identity of the client.

And he gave substantive advice to Quinn along the way. According to Quinn’s notes that were produced to Congress, Holder told Quinn to take the pardon application “straight to the White House” because “the timing is good.”

And once the pardon was granted, Holder sent his congratulations to Quinn.

In 2002, a congressional committee reported that Holder was a “willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing” the Rich pardon.

It is one thing to reach back to Obama’s pastor to raise doubts about his values. But it is quite another to scrutinize the record of his first appointee.

It couldn’t be a bigger mistake.

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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2008, 09:12:27 AM »

Ah, the single minded attempt to continue to damn any action taken by those who choose to focus on a single event as well
as being lock step GOP, even if the claim is made not to vote for McCain in Novemeber. 

Apparently, unnoticed was that Holder joined Obama, not just for this single assignment, but almost a year ago. While many others, but certainly not all, associated with Clinton quickly leaped on the Hillary bandwagon, Holder leaped off.

What does it say? It says Holder has been a loyal supporter regardless of the opinion of those such the more than typically
disingenuous Dick Morris, whose reputation as a right wing sycophant grows more so every year.  Interesting, Morris fails to
mention Caroline Kennedy or BET's Johnson.  Kennedy an Obama supporter along with her uncle, Ted and Johnson a Clinton
supporter who has publicly stated he would support Clinton for Veep.  Could it be that this means Obama has taken a step
toward opening this committee to a variety of views to obtain a truly fair evaluation and vetting of possible candidates?  LOL, Dubya chose Cheney to lead his committee and he chose himself.

For those unfamiliar with Holder, just a little bit of info. Just take a second to check the date of this article

Posted August 17, 2007 11:52 AM
by James Oliphant

Sen. Barack Obama has signed on a high-profile Washington adviser, one who could end up playing an important role in a potential presidential transition team or Obama cabinet.

Eric Holder has joined Obama’s presidential campaign. The former deputy attorney general under Janet Reno during the Clinton administration, Holder has spent the last six years as a corporate litigator and white-collar defense attorney at the powerhouse D.C. law firm of Covington & Burling.

Holder is also a former federal judge and former U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. He was recently retained by the National Football League to probe allegations of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick’s involvement in illegal dogfighting.

Given Holder’s credentials, it isn’t outside the realm of possibility to suggest he could wind up the nation’s first African-American attorney general should Obama win the White House.

Holder was in Chicago meeting with campaign officials Thursday. He says he’s advising the campaign on “legal issues and strategy.”

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/blog/2007/08/eric_holder_joins_obama.html


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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2008, 09:20:19 AM »

Ah, the single minded attempt to continue to damn any action taken by those who choose to focus on a single event as well
as being lock step GOP, even if the claim is made not to vote for McCain in Novemeber. 

Apparently, unnoticed was that Holder joined Obama, not just for this single assignment, but almost a year ago. While many others, but certainly not all, associated with Clinton quickly leaped on the Hillary bandwagon, Holder leaped off.

What does it say? It says Holder has been a loyal supporter regardless of the opinion of those such the more than typically
disingenuous Dick Morris, whose reputation as a right wing sycophant grows more so every year.  Interesting, Morris fails to
mention Caroline Kennedy or BET's Johnson.  Kennedy an Obama supporter along with her uncle, Ted and Johnson a Clinton
supporter who has publicly stated he would support Clinton for Veep.  Could it be that this means Obama has taken a step
toward opening this committee to a variety of views to obtain a truly fair evaluation and vetting of possible candidates?  LOL, Dubya chose Cheney to lead his committee and he chose himself.

For those unfamiliar with Holder, just a little bit of info. Just take a second to check the date of this article

Posted August 17, 2007 11:52 AM
by James Oliphant

Sen. Barack Obama has signed on a high-profile Washington adviser, one who could end up playing an important role in a potential presidential transition team or Obama cabinet.

Eric Holder has joined Obama’s presidential campaign. The former deputy attorney general under Janet Reno during the Clinton administration, Holder has spent the last six years as a corporate litigator and white-collar defense attorney at the powerhouse D.C. law firm of Covington & Burling.

Holder is also a former federal judge and former U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. He was recently retained by the National Football League to probe allegations of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick’s involvement in illegal dogfighting.

Given Holder’s credentials, it isn’t outside the realm of possibility to suggest he could wind up the nation’s first African-American attorney general should Obama win the White House.

Holder was in Chicago meeting with campaign officials Thursday. He says he’s advising the campaign on “legal issues and strategy.”

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/blog/2007/08/eric_holder_joins_obama.html




wow you typed alot and yet you said nothing...

I say:
It does not matter how long he has worked for Obama, it matters that OBAMA in making hsi FIRST appointmnet appointed someone who worked to secure a pardon for a piece of crap by hiding the pardon from his boss's at the justice department.

You say:
Dont matter, he is LOYAL!!! lol.. I kinda find it funny how you liberal folks judge everything by emotion and not facts.  so basically in 2007 when he was ORGANIZING the people he would use in his cabinet or transition team one of his FIRST picks was Holden.. RIGHT? So then you agree one of his FIRST picks was a man who "In 2002, a congressional committee reported that Holder was a “willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing” the Rich pardon."
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2008, 09:45:38 AM »

Nope, it was speculation by the writer of the piece in 2007. "one who could end up playing an important role in a potential presidential transition team or Obama cabinet."

"so basically in 2007 when he was ORGANIZING the people he would use in his cabinet or transition team one of his FIRST picks was Holden. Nope! You're attempting to twist the speculative statement made by Oliphant in 2007 to fit your purpose
in June of 2008.  While loyalty may be an important factor so is logic accompanied by truth.

If you bother to check the news reports, rather than zeroing in on an hit piece by Dick Morris, (btw posted without the courtesy of providing a link)  the actual first choice for the committee was Caroline Kennedy. LOL, could Dickie and his fellow writer, (btw as a point of information, Dick's spouse), not locate some obscure basis for attempting to trash Kennedy?

Only one of the posts related to the announcement related to Obama's committee among many, I would suggest the emphasis
was hardly one the single member Morris and his spouse have chosen to highlight, but brought Kennedy to the fore, followed
by the other two members appointed.

More news is available than Morris and spouse would portend.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aOyXeU0jfK_4&refer=home




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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2008, 09:58:10 AM »

Nope, it was speculation by the writer of the piece in 2007. "one who could end up playing an important role in a potential presidential transition team or Obama cabinet."

"so basically in 2007 when he was ORGANIZING the people he would use in his cabinet or transition team one of his FIRST picks was Holden. Nope! You're attempting to twist the speculative statement made by Oliphant in 2007 to fit your purpose
in June of 2008.  While loyalty may be an important factor so is logic accompanied by truth.

If you bother to check the news reports, rather than zeroing in on an hit piece by Dick Morris, (btw posted without the courtesy of providing a link)  the actual first choice for the committee was Caroline Kennedy. LOL, could Dickie and his fellow writer, (btw as a point of information, Dick's spouse), not locate some obscure basis for attempting to trash Kennedy?

Only one of the posts related to the announcement related to Obama's committee among many, I would suggest the emphasis
was hardly one the single member Morris and his spouse have chosen to highlight, but brought Kennedy to the fore, followed
by the other two members appointed.

More news is available than Morris and spouse would portend.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aOyXeU0jfK_4&refer=home






Like any board you pick name.. AKA. KENNEDY to provide name recognition, and then youy pick the rest that actually do the work.

So either in 2007 or yesterday Obama picked a guy who

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Gave substantive advice to Quinn along the way. According to Quinn’s notes that were produced to Congress, Holder told Quinn to take the pardon application “straight to the White House” because “the timing is good.”

And once the pardon was granted, Holder sent his congratulations to Quinn.

In 2002, a congressional committee reported that Holder was a “willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing” the Rich pardon.

So you dont deny he had a roll in the hiding of the reaci partdon until it was too late?  So, instead are focusing on the fact Dick Morris is a "republican"... ok... umm BUT that does not change the fact.. AGAIN A FACT!!!

"In 2002, a congressional committee reported that Holder was a “willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing” the Rich pardon."

Remember I am not voting for McCain I am voting for Obama, and am upset not that he hired Holden because after Obama gets elected I hope he fills his cabinet will tonds of guys like Holden..   I am upset he chose him NOW!!!
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2008, 10:45:14 AM »

ROTFL, Reaganite, pardon my being so picky, but it is now clear why you chose to avoid posting a link for the article from the NY Post from yesterday's edition you chose to use. You failed to post the full article though I doubt it would have made much
difference.  However, who you choose to vote for in November isn't really a relevant factor nor is my choice of vote. While you
pick and chose to post parts of the Morris/Gann article, in attempt to make your point. While you may object to Obama's choice of Holden, I object to your disingenuous attempt to use portions of an article, no link provided, because of your disappointment in the choices.  Are you equally as disappointed in the choices of Kennedy and Johnson? Or was this just one more backdoor attempt at slamming the choices of a candidate you claim to support?

For those who might be interested in reading the full Morris/Gann article, the link is here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06052008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obamas_vp_search_mistake_114031.htm?page=0

Reaganite  I assume you may choose to continue with more past history, actually now moot, for whatever strange purpose you may choose. BTW, there is some interesting analysis about this article located on KOS for those who might prefer a different
perspective.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2008, 10:57:44 AM »

ROTFL, Reaganite, pardon my being so picky, but it is now clear why you chose to avoid posting a link for the article from the NY Post from yesterday's edition you chose to use. You failed to post the full article though I doubt it would have made much
difference.  However, who you choose to vote for in November isn't really a relevant factor nor is my choice of vote. While you
pick and chose to post parts of the Morris/Gann article, in attempt to make your point. While you may object to Obama's choice of Holden, I object to your disingenuous attempt to use portions of an article, no link provided, because of your disappointment in the choices.  Are you equally as disappointed in the choices of Kennedy and Johnson? Or was this just one more backdoor attempt at slamming the choices of a candidate you claim to support?

For those who might be interested in reading the full Morris/Gann article, the link is here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06052008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obamas_vp_search_mistake_114031.htm?page=0

Reaganite  I assume you may choose to continue with more past history, actually now moot, for whatever strange purpose you may choose. BTW, there is some interesting analysis about this article located on KOS for those who might prefer a different
perspective.

I posted the WHOLE article not portions.. also I did not add a link as it gives the same message and I would ahve gone back and posted a link later today using modify..

also Morris is a nationally syndicated writer in not only the post by many newspapers.

In any event you again attack the source and not the FACTS...

DO YOU DENY HE HAD A ROLE IN HIDING THE PARDON FROM HIS SUPERVISORS?

Also, I dont support Obama I want him in office with a liberal reid and pelosi in cotrol of the senate.  i want americans to see what liberal is and how it will hurt them so liberalism can finally die.

So again are you DENYING HE

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Gave substantive advice to Quinn along the way. According to Quinn’s notes that were produced to Congress, Holder told Quinn to take the pardon application “straight to the White House” because “the timing is good.”

And once the pardon was granted, Holder sent his congratulations to Quinn.

In 2002, a congressional committee reported that Holder was a “willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing” the Rich pardon.



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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2008, 11:19:00 AM »

Here copied and pasted is the full article. While you continue to zero in on Holder's involvement in the Rich pardon as did Morris and Gann, it appears other forum members, who post from the left or right have little interest in your thread.

Clinton has been out of office for almost 8 years and it doesn't appear, at this point, Hillary will become Obama's Veep. In reality the post was just partially gleaned from an obscure op ed by Morris and  his spouse, Gann.

Perhaps important to you, but just IMHO one more hit piece by a former Clinton employee who fell from grace, so to speak, years ago and has since continued to damn and back stab his former boss on any possible issue now for years.

OBAMA'S VP SEARCH MISTAKE
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

THAT'S RICH! Then-President Bill Clinton greets Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder in 1999. Barack Obama has tapped Holder to help select a running mate, though he was key in the pardon of Marc Rich.
June 5, 2008 --

On his first day as the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama has made his first clear, serious mistake: He named Eric Holder as one of three people charged with vice-presidential vetting.
As deputy attorney general, Holder was the key person who made the pardon of Marc Rich possible in the final hours of the Clinton presidency. Now Obama will be stuck in the Marc Rich mess.
If ever there was a person who did not deserve a presidential pardon, it's Marc Rich, the fugitive billionaire who renounced his U.S. citizenship and moved to Switzerland to avoid prosecution for racketeering, wire fraud, 51 counts of tax fraud, evading $48 million in taxes, and engaging in illegal trades with Iran in violation of the U.S. embargo following the 1979-80 hostage crisis.
Seventeen years later, Rich wanted a pardon and he retained Jack Quinn, former counsel to the president, to lobby his old boss.
Rich's ex-wife, Denise Rich, was a generous benefactor of the Clintons, providing campaign funds to both Bill and Hillary, contributing at least $400,000 to the Clinton Library, and buying thousands of dollars worth of furniture for the Clintons. So it was not hard for Rich to get Clinton's attention.
From the start, the Rich lawyers ignored the government's established rules for pardon applications.
Instead of making a formal application to the Office of Pardons in the Justice Department, Quinn sent the application directly to the White House in late December of 2007.
The application was addressed to Beth Nolan, who had been an underling of Quinn's during his days at the White House.
Several days before the pardon was granted, Clinton met with Nolan and two other top aides who all urged him not to grant the pardon.
Nolan was particularly concerned about allegations that Rich was involved in arms trading after he left the U.S.
Two days later, documents in support of the pardon were sent by Jack Quinn to Eric Holder.
It was Holder who had originally recommended Quinn to one of Rich's advisers, although he claims that he did not know the identity of the client.
And he gave substantive advice to Quinn along the way. According to Quinn's notes that were produced to Congress, Holder told Quinn to take the pardon application "straight to the White House" because "the timing is good."
Is this what the second in command in the Justice Department should be doing? Advising someone to circumvent Justice Department procedures? And advising a party who has business before the Justice Department?
When Holder received the Rich materials, he did no independent research to determine their veracity and appears to have barely reviewed them.
Had he checked with the original prosecutors, he would have learned a completely different story.
But he never took the time to check anything and simply told the White House that he was "neutral to positive" on the pardons.
Clinton then issued the Rich pardon in between signing his own plea bargain agreement, and granting pardons to the client's of his brother Roger and Hillary's brother, Huigh.
Neither Clinton nor Holder ever consulted with the Pardon Attorney.
After the storm about all of Clinton's questionable pardons, the former president pointed to Holder's positive opinion as one of the major reasons that he granted the Rich pardon.
When Holder was called in to testify before Congress about the Rich pardon, he said that he thought that it was "not "particularly meritorious." But that didn't stop him from being a yes man for Quinn and Clinton.
And once the pardon was granted, Holder sent his congratulations to Quinn.
Officials at the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York were understandably infuriated when they learned about the pardon and accused Rich of deliberating bypassing their office.
In 2002, a congressional committee reported that Holder was a "willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing" the Rich Pardon.
And this is the man Barack Obama has chosen to put at the epicenter of perhaps the most important decision of his presidential campaign - scrutinizing the backgrounds of potential vice presidential candidates.
His trust in the judgment of a man who recommended pardoning an unrepentant fugitive who had renounced his US citizenship, brings into question the presumptive nominee's own judgment.
It is one thing to reach back to Obama's pastor to raise doubts about his values. But it is quite another to scrutinize the record of his first appointee.
It couldn't be a bigger mistake.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2008, 11:32:45 AM »

AGAIN... are you saying the facts in teh article are incorrect???

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Gave substantive advice to Quinn along the way. According to Quinn’s notes that were produced to Congress, Holder told Quinn to take the pardon application “straight to the White House” because “the timing is good.”

And once the pardon was granted, Holder sent his congratulations to Quinn.

In 2002, a congressional committee reported that Holder was a “willing participant in the plan to keep the Justice Department from knowing about and opposing” the Rich pardon.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2008, 12:22:07 PM »

Hardly. I remember the flap about Holder and the Rich pardon when it occurred. I'm saying it is irrelevant and the whole article was nothing more than one more hit piece by Morris.
If you get off on it be my guest. But as I suggested previously, no one else on this forum, to date, appears to find it of particular interest. Maybe instead some are watching the market go to hell in a handbasket? 

The price of oil and increase in unemployment, even considering the "diddling" of how it's figured and reported since your screen name namesake changed it back in the "80s may be just more interesting than anything Holder might have done years ago.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2008, 12:38:56 PM »

Lo and behold - Reaganite doesn't understand the pardon process, either.

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2008, 12:44:41 PM »

Hardly. I remember the flap about Holder and the Rich pardon when it occurred. I'm saying it is irrelevant and the whole article was nothing more than one more hit piece by Morris.
If you get off on it be my guest. But as I suggested previously, no one else on this forum, to date, appears to find it of particular interest. Maybe instead some are watching the market go to hell in a handbasket? 

The price of oil and increase in unemployment, even considering the "diddling" of how it's figured and reported since your screen name namesake changed it back in the "80s may be just more interesting than anything Holder might have done years ago.

ok, so you say it does not matter that this guy got off a criminal who defrauded this government and renouced his citizenship.. Got ya...

Ok yea and ITS A HIT PIECE... lol..

Again Emotion rules you.. you just cant dispute a fact so you try to change the subject to the price of oil heh.. nice.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 12:48:10 PM »

Lo and behold - Reaganite doesn't understand the pardon process, either.

Kudos.

I understand it fully and this guy went around it to circumvent the process, but since you seem to insinuate I am wrong please prove me wrong as C ASS is trying hard to ignore the fact by saying its so long ago, and the price of OIL is going up!! heh.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 03:08:18 PM »

Since Reaganite you would like to deter the topic of Obama choosing a Veep, with an old issue, long since no longer relevant, I found the piece about the first appointment to the committee, lots of speculation, but IMHO also very interesting.  According the article, the wingnuts have chose to attack Obama's choice of Caroline Kennedy. I don't plan as you did to copy and paste a partial article, but a headline and introduction with the full article on the link. Maybe the Kennedy appointment is more interesting than a Dick Morris hit piece?

June 8, 2008
JFK daughter brings Camelot magic to hunt for Obama’s running mate

Kennedy has ’the magic name’
Tony Allen-Mills, New York
FOR a candidate promising a break with the past, Barack Obama made a curious choice for a key position in his presidential campaign team last week. His decision to appoint Caroline Kennedy to a sensitive political role leading his search for a vice-presidential running mate has aroused both intrigue and derision in US political circles.

The daughter of the late President John F Kennedy has no serious political experience, has been involved in only one previous presidential campaign - when her uncle, Ted Kennedy, ran for the White House in 1980 - and has long been considered the most private member of America’s most celebrated political dynasty.

Obama’s right-wing critics have mocked what they portray as his demeaning attempts to associate himself with JFK and the Camelot legend. One right-wing columnist dismissed Caroline’s appointment to his team as “window dressing”, calling her a “Camelot heiress / political dilettante”. Another called her a “nitwit” and assailed Obama for “choosing star power over substance”. Yet the appointment also provoked a startling outpouring of enthusiasm for Kennedy’s late-flowering interest in presidential politics.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4087701.ece
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