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« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2008, 02:25:30 PM »

Charlie, no rocket science needed to understand your history lesson gleaned like most of your posts by using that simple internet tool google as I have no doubt you did to choose your obscure "hero."  Your only and obvious purpose in a search for someone you could related to your other favorite crusader against the Muslim world the drunken liar and coward: Bush.

I await any proof other than BushInc and Israeli war mongering rhetoric to prove the intentions of Iraq in acquiring nuclear technology is any different than that of what Bush is now
providing to the Saudis or that Egypt is also seeking. It remains nothing, but rhetoric by a belligerant U.S. and an even more belligerent Zionist government in Israel. 

Though if Iran is seeking to create a nuclear arsenal, they are not doing so in the manner Saddam once did.  The Iranian facilities, in a variety of different locations, hardly resemble the earlier Saddam ones attacked by Israel in an illegal action that was condemned. 

This review of history might provide a bit of reality. Or for those committed Zionist and the typically ignorant Charlie, it may be a waste of even providing an article that requires the task of reading.  While some continue to assume some would condemn, but then quietly applaud an attack on Iran, they discount many changes in the balance of power internationally both militarily and economically, over the past 28 years.  The U.S. has stripped itself militarily and economically  with the preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq. In addition, also economically where China has become both a military and economic power to be reckoned with. The USSR is gone, but Russia remains as China does as nuclear armed nations and neither have any great interest in support for Israel.  Israel though beloved by the U.S. is considered by many others as nothing, but a pariah in the ME.  Little more than a pimple on the rear of the planet that might dangerously erupt and cause a massive infection that could as the result create a planet wide nuclear confrontation rational people and nations would prefer to avoid.

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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2008, 07:24:42 PM »

Charlie, no rocket science needed to understand your history lesson gleaned like most of your posts by using that simple internet tool google as I have no doubt you did to choose your obscure "hero."  Your only and obvious purpose in a search for someone you could related to your other favorite crusader against the Muslim world the drunken liar and coward: Bush.

Cass...its called history. Martel's Grandson was named Charlemagne..heard of him? The growth of nation-states, Christian nation-states, evolving to modern Europe who prospered exploring oceans eventually creating republics based on self-determination and freedom. Do you own a book of any type other than Oprah's bio?

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I await any proof other than BushInc and Israeli war mongering rhetoric to prove the intentions of Iraq in acquiring nuclear technology is any different than that of what Bush is now
providing to the Saudis or that Egypt is also seeking. It remains nothing, but rhetoric by a belligerant U.S. and an even more belligerent Zionist government in Israel. 


The Iranians themselves....you clueless space cadet....are claiming their uranium production is illegal and they don't care. Nothing but rhetoric when.....they're admitting it? Duh.

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Though if Iran is seeking to create a nuclear arsenal, they are not doing so in the manner Saddam once did.  The Iranian facilities, in a variety of different locations, hardly resemble the earlier Saddam ones attacked by Israel in an illegal action that was condemned. 


What do they resemble? They're both based on Russian technology. And Iran's civilian long range rocket program being recently updated combined with their high tech weaponry purchases from China and Russia....and it sounds just like an Osirak situation from Israel cept...it's much farther away and they will need help. They need to invite someone to the dance. I happen to know a very good partner who would love to help. W.

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This review of history might provide a bit of reality. Or for those committed Zionist and the typically ignorant Charlie, it may be a waste of even providing an article that requires the task of reading.  While some continue to assume some would condemn, but then quietly applaud an attack on Iran, they discount many changes in the balance of power internationally both militarily and economically, over the past 28 years.  The U.S. has stripped itself militarily and economically  with the preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq. In addition, also economically where China has become both a military and economic power to be reckoned with. The USSR is gone, but Russia remains as China does as nuclear armed nations and neither have any great interest in support for Israel.  Israel though beloved by the U.S. is considered by many others as nothing, but a pariah in the ME.  Little more than a pimple on the rear of the planet that might dangerously erupt and cause a massive infection that could as the result create a planet wide nuclear confrontation rational people and nations would prefer to avoid.


Who considers them nothing but a pariah in the ME? Yeah...like the lil strip of bacon called Israel sizzling in the frying pan of what is the ME is the problem or pariah..would you consider militant Islam one of these pariah's as well? Cass?

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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2008, 10:46:29 AM »



You know what one of your problems is Chucky?
... You don't realise how powerful Israel is militarily, or its capabilities to take care of itself. Your own ignorance substantiates your lack of knowledgable  research.  Wink
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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2008, 11:33:47 AM »

There he goes again Terry.  Wink But I will answer one of his inane questions. Yes, Charlie, I consider what you call "militant Islam" as much a pariah in the ME as I do Israel. Perhaps where Terry, you and I part company is primarily in my belief there
is no legality attached to preemptive strikes by one sovereign nation on another without very clear evidence a first strike is about to be used. Nor do I believe that Israel has that right anymore than any other nation in the ME or anywhere on the planet, to determine who has the right or who doesn't to possess nukes. That includes the most heavily armed and IMHO most dangerously nuclear armed nation, the one that Terry and I share citizenship in, the U.S..

So what this really amounts to is a difference of personal opinion which so far remains all of our right. And when we return to
the militant Islamic attack on the U.S. on 9-11, I also believe, there was ample evidence to have possibly deterred it, but the evidence was ignored. 

Will there be another? I have no way of knowing, but removing freedoms from those who are citizens of the U.S. and an attack on a sovereign nation, not responsible in any way for the attack by militant Islam, has been the choice of the current Administration along with regular fear mongering among the public with little relevant attempt to actually provide any valid protection while threatening one more war. Not to mention, draining the treasury, creation of massive debt to fund
the cronies both of the Pentagon and the international oil conglomerates in the process that according to the GOP candidate,
IMHO nothing more than the continuation of the same policies, will continue the threats and even worse may continue the
belligerence with a continuation of preemptive war by the U.S. and Israel, even to include the very dangerous use to the whole planet of nukes.
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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2008, 12:00:32 PM »



Cass, Israel will not stage a pre-emptive strike on Iran unless they feel an attack is imminent...
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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2008, 01:11:39 PM »

You don't realise how powerful Israel is militarily, or its capabilities to take care of itself. Your own ignorance substantiates your lack of knowledgable  research.

Not only do I realize, I'm telling you their capabilites to reach far into Iran are limited. Not a chance they'll use a longe range missile, perhaps a Predator, however, they'll need strike fighters and laser guided bunker busters. They need help....and I'm sure W is more than happy to oblige.
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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2008, 01:16:25 PM »

Cass, Israel will not stage a pre-emptive strike on Iran unless they feel an attack is imminent...

Ever heard of Osirak, Iraq? Mathis?

The Israelis as well, just struck in Syria.

If it wasn't for reality, Mathis, you'd actually make some sense. Seeing as reality is well........reality....you don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about. Isreal has on many occasions against weapons facilities and human targets struck visciously and accurately and effectively at targets not an "imminent threat." It's in fact their entire doctrine. May I respectfully submit you do your homework afore slappin absolute crap up here on the glass hoping some of it sticks.

For the love of God!
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« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2008, 02:24:48 PM »


When you learn to read whole threads Chucky, and read my Profile newbie, you might bow to your betters. Until then, you're just a fuckwit.  Grin
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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2008, 07:17:28 PM »

Yeah Mathis......why not give us this again...this staggeringly clueless f'n statement

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Israel will not stage a pre-emptive strike on Iran unless they feel an attack is imminent...

And then go look at EXACTLY what they did in Osirak, Iraq in 1983. And then look at the strike JUST carried out in Syria...by these same Israelis...without said "imminent" being.....imminent at all. They've a history of such first strikes without an attack being imminent! You should consider some consulting work for the Iranians, you'd convince the Mullahs Israel would never attack, huh?

You're peeing into the wind with that one, Mathis. You seem to want to join the competition for most clueless statement ever uttered. Consider yourself in the running. Wink
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« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2008, 09:56:59 PM »



Chucky,
Look in the mirror.
... you will see nothing there. Just nothing.
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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2008, 04:42:48 AM »

Chucky,
Look in the mirror.
... you will see nothing there. Just nothing.

Cept for my f'n history book sitting on my night stand that I actually f'n pick up and read so as I know what the f I'm talking about. Mathis.

Claiming Israel won't attack you unless an attack on Israel is imminent is both historically inaccurate and clueless. They've a long history of such pre-imminent attacks, they just f'n completed one THIS YEAR. However, you Lot down under seem to be unaware. What a great staff member you'd be for the Mullahs, Terry, you could advise and consult for Tehran. Convince them they've nothing to worry about, convince them the US nor Israel will attack. Yeah...I can see Mahmoud's face now....Americans crawling all over the place...Israelis bombing Syria and about to hop into Gaza....yeah....Mathis...yer fired. And would probably face the firing squad.

What in the world? You got great info sources down there, Gentlemen...I'm astounded and impressed. You got liberals running yer major news agencies as well, huh? That's how we roll here too, no worries.

Charles will keep you informed...let you know the next time Israel pre-imminenet attacks and sends another torpedo into your ridiculous argument.
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« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2008, 06:14:49 AM »



Feeling insecure Chooky? (yawn)
... you have it backwards, depending on the ROE's, I might inform you of anything going down. But you will have to buy a dictionary to understand what words like "pre-eminent" mean. The Senior Cabinet of the Knesset knows.  Wink

I really do pity you. You need help badly if all you can think about is making yourself look foolish.  Sad
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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2008, 10:35:56 AM »

kactus, try to ignore Charlie's, sad ignorance in his assumptions about the various cultures around the planet.

No worries Cass. I have gradually arrived at that conclusion long ago. A bit of a mouthpiece to promote Bush really. Man I can't wait to see republican's arse kicked out in November's election.

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While some of our ancestors were still running around much of Europe wearing, little but skins from the animals they might have been able to
slaughter, great civilizations had already arisen on the continent of Africa, though out the Middle East and other regions of Asia.

Exactly! But don't tell that to Cognac Martel. He would probably think that the movie 300 is a correct depiction of history in the region.
Now let's see, those god damn eyeranians invented the UN charter, allowed the jews a passage to avoid the persecution (read the bible), invented the concept of post office, have one of the best mathematicians and scholars in the world, even has given the world's top scientists, businessmen and many other professions in the west including US and Iran. ffs even some of Israel's most prominent politicians are of iranian origin (actually that's not a good example but nevertheless...) It's all their fault.

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The hero he has chosen his screen name to try to emulate is clearly chosen for a single purpose his battles against the
Muslims who actually brought their learning and many improvements, though they lost some battles it should be evident why
Charlie chose Charles Martel.  He fancies himself a crusader, like his cowardly, Alabama bar stool occupier, who spent his war
guarding Houston, or too high to pass a physical so he went AWOL and because he lacks the education to understand the real world.
Oops, kactus I forgot, Charlie is most likely one of those wingnuts who denies the world is older than Bishop Usher declared it once to be.  Why bother to discuss Charlie's various heroes?  His history alone is lacking and his pre-historical knowledge is non-existent. 


Cass, some posts are not even worth a response I tend to give the poster the impression they have won the argument. Reality is different.

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Like Charlie tends to do, I've gone OT, but then that is how it is on an internet forum when one deals with who or what ever
decides to register, no education nor intellect required, but just the rather simple ability to google. 

To be fair you have to give everyone the benefit of the doubt including Charles Chaplin.
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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2008, 11:06:23 AM »

I hope Terry, you're correct in your assessment, wish I had your confidence about preemptive strikes by Israel. The internal political situation there is what continues to  give me pause and real concern. Because of the current internal power struggle and the possibility that should Likud be returned to power, while Bush and particularly Cheney, (his puppet master IMO) remain in office there remains the possibility for an attack though there remains no evidence Iran actually has succeeded in building even one atomic bomb. 

Sure kactus, while Charlie appears available from dawn to dusk each day to use up page after page and bandwidth with post after post, most often based in stupidity, not to forget that the term ignorance suggests there is the ability to learn, at times the best method is just to ignore, though it is relatively simple to refute his posts, clearly based in a lack of both knowledge of history or pre-history in the region of the ME. Leads me to wonder if Charlie is one of those paid posters, hired by the Pentagon to spread BushInc. propaganda on blogs and forums.  Something to consider.  But then there is the question of whether, LOL, if Charlie is actually what I've suggested he could be, are we as taxpayers getting our money's worth? Grin
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« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2008, 01:18:31 PM »

I really do pity you. You need help badly if all you can think about is making yourself look foolish.

Interpret it any way you'd like Mathis, proof is in the pudding. You haven't repeated the statement and haven't opposed the examples I gave you where Israel did attack where an attack against them wasn't imminent. Now, you don't like being torched like the marshmellow that fell into the campfire...don't say stupid sh1t. And I'll leave you be. Keep harping on in the exact 180 of reality....and I'll open my history book and make you look naive....again. Smiley

And I was thinking of visiting Australia, hopefully the hot women are this clueless cause......nevermind...I'm married:)
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