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Author Topic: Possible US Interest's Section in Tehran?  (Read 1171 times)
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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2008, 01:21:02 PM »

Quote from: Mottaki
The possibility (of an Israeli and American joint military operation against Iran) is zero.

This is a quiet confident assertion.

Maybe the "US interrest" rumor is intended to restore trust between the two countries and to show that the US hass no intention to attack or invade Iran.
And as a result soften the tone and the stubborness of the iranian nuclear guys.

The problem remains that Iran presist in enriching uranium, rejected the incentives and accepted instead a bigger "sanctions package".

Quote from: Solana, after some six hours of talks in Geneva with Iran's Saeed Jalili
The Iranians know very well what will continue to happen if nothing happens otherwise.
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They are very closely following Saddam Husein's path. IMO.
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2008, 01:44:38 PM »

I hope Terry you're correct, but when the Times article is followed by the one posted by Fredledingue with a very similar one published on McClatchy here as of yesterday,

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/117/story/44819.html

it's hard to discern what is real and what is threat from reading on a variety of publications.

Moving on and to avoid the spam filter, the one published on Debkafile, granted being what it is an example of what I would consider the far right Israeli on-line publication,
the drums for war are beating away. 

Please move along to the next post for an article from today's edition.
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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2008, 02:02:24 PM »

Perhaps I should give up reading on the DEBKAfile ?  However, this is hardly the only publication where the the prediction for Bush to act against Iran while he continues to have the power to do so is predicted and/or discussed. Similar attitudes exist, particularly from McCain supporting hawkish sites. Is it just a continuation of the war mongering we've all observed in the past, or is this an attempt to talk about demands until after the election, then go ahead with the long planned attack and perhaps leave
Obama with the quite possibly hideous aftermath?  Lieberman/Kyl though ignored by most is on the books and could easily be used for an authorization of force against Iran by Bush/Cheney.  Would they dare?  If they should decide to attack, who would stop them?


Senior Israeli official: If nuclear talks fail, Bush will order Iran attack between November and January
DEBKAfile Special Report
July 19, 2008, 9:00 PM (GMT+02:00)
This assessment was reported by Israeli national radio Saturday overnight quoting a high-placed “security-political” official.
The source predicted that President George W. Bush would order Iran attacked between the November 4 presidential election and his exit from the White House in January. The quote was aired shortly after the six-power talks with Iran in Geneva – with US official participation for the first time – failed, and just before Israel chief of staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi set out for Washington. He is to spend a week there as guest of Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
DEBKAfile’s political sources describe the disclosure as a step aimed at slowing down the collapse of Israel’s stated policy of relying on international diplomatic pressure to thwart Iran’s acquisition of nuclear arms. It is expected to raise a furious outcry from the powers spearheading the diplomatic effort and prompt extreme reactions from Tehran.
Our sources report that the unidentified Israeli “security-political” source sought to achieve three objectives:
1. Underlining the signal that the US military option had not been taken off the table after the state department spokesman said Iran must choose between cooperation with the international community and confrontation.
The official was also giving Israel’s answer to the latest evaluations making the rounds in Washington that the Israeli Air Force does not have enough warplanes to strike Iran’s nuclear sites without American military support.
2. A signal that the presence at the Geneva talks Saturday, July 19, of Under Secretary of State William Burns, far from being a concession, was an implicit ultimatum. Tehran was being told that no more than three months remained for it to suspend uranium enrichment before Bush made good on his pledge to resolve the issue before he left the White House. No member of the Bush administration is saying this directly, whether Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Robert Gates or the president himself. Israel will not doubt be rebuked for its disclosure.
3. As a high-risk step to derail the accommodations Washington and Tehran are on the way to reaching in their secret talks on a wide range of issues, with the exception of the nuclear controversy, as revealed by DEBKA-Net-Weekly and DEBKAfile. Israel fears being abandoned and left out in the cold on all its fronts against Iran by these accommodations.
Tehran may well seize on the Israeli disclosure as a pretext to ditch the nuclear negotiations on all levels, unless all six powers offer guarantees against their pursuit of military initiatives.

http://www.debka.com/headline_print.php?hid=5447

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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2008, 03:09:33 PM »

Sometimes, though some might suggest such animations might belong in the section for political cartoons, Mark Fiore, in particular, though unquestionably one of those "lefties," creates an animation that is more truth than fiction.  This week's posting struck me so.  Enjoy or not depending on your personal political perspective, most especially in the factors related to Iran.

Just turn up the sound and click on the link. 


http://www.markfiore.com/politishop_80_0

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2008, 04:33:15 PM »

So.....since you've hitched your wagon to the belief the US will attack Iran....if this does not happen....I guess we can ignore any other prediction you may wish to make?

OTW....why post from the DEBKAfile?
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2008, 04:57:37 PM »

I've made no predictions one way or the other.  It appears those at DEBKAfile, continue to beat the war drums for the attack that has been predicted now for years. It would appear you've hitched your wagon the the candidate who continues to follow the current leader.  Is he still singing, that little former Beach Boys ditty, saying "Bomb, Bomb
Iran? 

Care to make any predictions of your own, Patton? Would more war in the ME be the solution? 
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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2008, 05:23:56 PM »

I predict no war with Iran while Bush is in office.

The process of IAEA inspections will be de rigueur........until such time Iran complies with all UN demands...or they begin the same game Saddam did....and I think Israel will have less patience with them than us.

If not...as history has shown....a coalition of the willing will be formed to force UN compliance.....unless of course, we elect another spineless yellowbellied CinC who won't mandate compliance like Clinton failed to do.......and he didn't force compliance of terms laid out by a ceasing of hostilities after Saddam had his ass handed to him.
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2008, 01:25:36 AM »

I also predict no war before mid 2009, at the very least.
We are talking about sanction now, not war. Before making war you must put your enemy under economical siege for a year or two. After that it falls like a ripe fruit.
That's what the war on Iraq taught us.

I predict however an oil-for-food program on Iran soon.
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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2008, 03:24:27 PM »



As I posted earlier, there will be no war involving Iran. Too many positive and/or costly things would be affected. There simply is too much to lose on all sides for a war.  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2008, 04:39:32 PM »

For all interested:
http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_events/task,view/id,1748/

I'll be at the round table tomorrow...if anyone has an intelligent and cordial question to post, I would open to asking it.
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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2008, 04:51:11 PM »

For all interested:
http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_events/task,view/id,1748/

I'll be at the round table tomorrow...if anyone has an intelligent and cordial question to post, I would open to asking it.


Neo, there seems to be an about face in U.S. policy towards Iran, movement to more dialog and to engage Iran diplomatically, talk of a U.S. 'Interests section' as well as continuing trade (export/import) with Iran. It seems both sides have come around to seeing that mutual positive relations would vastly benefit not only the U.S. and Iran, but for the Mid-East in general. All this is good to see and I hope it continues. Do you think the tide has turned for the best?
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2008, 05:40:52 PM »

For all interested:
http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_events/task,view/id,1748/

I'll be at the round table tomorrow...if anyone has an intelligent and cordial question to post, I would open to asking it.


Neo, there seems to be an about face in U.S. policy towards Iran, movement to more dialog and to engage Iran diplomatically, talk of a U.S. 'Interests section' as well as continuing trade (export/import) with Iran. It seems both sides have come around to seeing that mutual positive relations would vastly benefit not only the U.S. and Iran, but for the Mid-East in general. All this is good to see and I hope it continues. Do you think the tide has turned for the best?
for the best?  I guess that depends on what camp you side with.  Of course peace, free, and fair trade are avenues all nations should pursue...but I'm a realist.  I am a bit skeptic that both parties will genuinely pursue these avenues will full force.  I expect both parties to hedge for the worst as they always do.

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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2008, 06:20:17 PM »

For all interested:
http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_events/task,view/id,1748/

I'll be at the round table tomorrow...if anyone has an intelligent and cordial question to post, I would open to asking it.

Very cool Neo - I'd be interested in hearing your take on what is discussed.

To me, Iran is worth a second look as far as being a strategic ally.  It won't happen overnight - it never does.  But it seems like Iran holds a lot of cards to positively help us prosecute the war on terror and we hold the cards to get them what they want - international prestige.  The US is the king-maker on the international stage.  It is very difficult to get international credit without the blessings of the US. 

I'd really be interested in knowing what the propects are of moderating a relationship between Iran and Israel if the US was friendly to both nations.  For instance, I can paint a picture in my head that Iran would value a friendship with the US enough to moderate their position with regards to Israel.  I dare say that if we play our cards right, we may even be able to weaken Hezbollah (by discouraging Iranian support) and secure an important partner against Al Qaeda without firing a shot.  Is this possible, or are Hezbollah and Iran so joined at the hip that it can't work?


I think this gets lost sometimes when we think of Iranian-American relations.  To be honest, I don't think a peaceful two-state solution is even possible unless the Iranians and Americans work together as partners.  I honestly feel like Iran is the keystone of so much in the Middle East and if we can make them a strategic partner, our troubles will start to melt away.
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« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2008, 06:32:45 PM »

Are you already convinced that the Ayatollah and company are trustworthy?  If not what would they have to do in order to convince you that they are "partner" worthy.

You know if we teamed up with the Persians against hez (which I don't think is possible) we would have to share intel...do you think that would be acceptable?  would you trust them with out mothers milk? 
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« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2008, 06:33:08 PM »

Is this possible, or are Hezbollah and Iran so joined at the hip that it can't work?

What in world history would lead you to believe it is possible?

Just askin.
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