For a lot of words, you say nothing.

The point of the original post is simple and is over and above your personal attacks on me.  Senator McCain has been a leader and served this country.  He has a distinguished military career.  He has majored substantial legislation.  He has a proven track record of working with Democrats and getting things accomplished.

Senator Obama's done what, exactly, besides profiting from shady land deals with convicted felons who fund his campaigns?  Oh, right, nothing....

That's the point.  And hippies still smell.

Fair, but in electing a President, isn't it rational to compare the character, integrity, accomplishments and background of the candidates?  Senator McCain's character has been tried and tested.  Senator McCain has significant legislative accomplishments beyond being a soldier.  Senator McCain has proven that he can work with people of all political philosophies.

What's Senator Obama ever done for anyone that's not himself...nothing.  There are no personal accomplishments.  There are no legislative accomplishments.  He's never run anything.  Never started a business.  Never had to make executive decisions.  Never sacrificied. 

When you come down to it and overlook the ad hominem personal attacks of the liberal peanut gallery, Senator Obama is nothing but an empty suit.

That's an odd characterization, not based in fact or precedent.  I think the superior interpretation is that Senator McCain is in a much better position to understand the sacrifices made by our soldiers, as he endured them himself, and would be guided more prudently.  You have no basis to think that he views the military as an end-all be-all solution for problems.



No, it really hasn't.  That's not a test of character -- that's evidence of unadulterated ambition.  His character has never been tested.  He's never faced the crucible like Senator McCain has.  His biggest worry according to his wife is paying for their million dollar estate financed by convicted felons and bitching about school loans.  Pretty soft stuff.


It certainly is.


I didn't say differently.  All politicians say politically expedient things. 


I've never understood the impulsive need to curse at people like that.  Fuck fuck fuck fuck.  Whatever.

It's an accomplishment, but not one that is distinguished, such as Senator McCain's - nor one that shows any meritorious character.  If that's your criterion, Senator McCain's done everything Senator Obama has done a hundred fold over.  I'm not impressed that a black urban politician won a Senate seat running against nobody.

Off the top of your head, name an accomplishment he had that was serving others - not a personal career ambition.  Name an important piece of legislation that he co-authored with Republicans.

Name anything other than, "He's in the Senate!".  So are you 99 other people... so what?  That's his big claim to the Presidency? 



Bear his signature?  That would be huge step up.  He's missed something along the lines of 40% of his votes....  maybe showing up for work would be an accomplishment.

He has no actual experience.  Yet this is the guy that the Democrat party thinks will be an effective Commander in Chief when and if Iran attacks Israel?  A guy who waffles from day to day?  Rubbish.  I'll take the guy who has actually paid a price for this country and stood tall in the face of torture and personal anguish.  I think he'll be a much better Commander in Chief.


So?  What's your point?  That that makes him more qualifed than Senator McCain?


Name one.


Yes.  What has he ever sacrificed -- other than his good name when he gets favors on land deals from convicted felons.  Besides selling out, what has he ever sacrificed?

I used to think that too... but then he flipped floped on torture.

I guess his "experience" changed over time... or maybe it was just senility .


LOL

Yeah, that's Ms. Obama's biggest fear . I'm reasonably sure it's actually losing her husband cause he's black and running for president in a country that STILL hasn't shaken its racism.

And I like how you just assume that the man's character has never been tested. Have you read his history? He grew up with a neglectful father and a mother that wasn't the same race. He traveled from place to place, gaining and losing friends and living from one extreme to another.

And his character was never tested?


I don't recall, "he's in the Senate" being my only comment.

McCain was a wealthy, upper class citizen with ridiculous connections in the US Navy and US political system; afforded a consistent education and a garunteed trip to college, plus security from sociatal ills.

Is it really a "personal accomplishment" that McCain rose from this bed of soft bed linens to become successful?


Did you vote for President Bush in 2004 despite having spent 27% of his presidency on vacation?

And I like how you still consider Iran the agressor in any possible war between the 2 countries despite the provocative action of the IAF and an Israeli cabinet minister calling military action "inevitable" LINK.

And you admitted yourself that McCain is also a flip flopper... so how can you legitmately criticise Obama as a "waffler", but in the same breath portray McCain like some pillar of immutable judgement?


No, that proves he's "run something" (i.e. a successful campaign), which was the original premise.

Not that he's more qualified then McCain.


He's a husband and a father. He's also a human being.

He's made executive decisions that have effected the most important part of his life - his family. As a husband and father himself, McCain has also made important executive decisions, which I do not contend.

But both men are/were members of the legislature... so exactly what are we arguing about?


Oh for God's sake, I don't know the guy personally. I can't sit here and list his sacrafices, but sufficive to say, given his less then ideal childhood, he's had to give up precious things in his life.

And I guess cause one of Obama's friends became a felon, he's equally guilty of the crime committed... by the other guy? I guess this puts McCain in the same boat as Abramoff?

You must feel like a limp wristed douche, since I certainly didn't call you one.

 Whenever something seems unquestionably true THATS when we should begin to question. Learn here about the details of McBushes millitary record;
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-klein/mccains-secret-questionab_b_107409.html

Another factor of the result of McCain's imprisonment might be like many who are returning from Iraq and Afghanistan today, there might me some implications, though we
have no way of knowing, because the full release of his military records remains a mystery.  Could such behavior be the results of PTSD?  I don't know, but certainly erratic
behavior is a not an atypical one from those who have such experiences.  One more factor, related, very possibly in hardly a positive way to the POW status he's has made a political career of.  Should one who apparently has such an explosive temper be one who is trustworthy with their finger on the "atomic button?"

McCain's History of Blow Ups: 10 More Examples
By jwilkes - Wednesday, June 11th, 2008 at 2:11 PM
         
"Do I feel passionately about issues?" John McCain has said.  "Absolutely.  Do I get angry when I see pork barreling and wasteful spending? Absolutely."  But his care for the most important topics of the day notwithstanding, McCain has had more than a few volatile run-ins with colleagues, staffers, and officials.  Back by popular demand, here are the next ten most egregious instances of John McCain's temper getting the best of him.
 
10. Volunteer Campaign Aide
Back on November 5, 1999, the Arizona Republic ran a story about one particular example of McCain's mistreatment of his own campaign staff, an outburst that would haunt him for years to come. Just hours after McCain was elected to the Senate for the first time, a campaign volunteer was setting up a podium, from which the newly-elected Senator was to deliver a victory speech.  When the 5'9 McCain saw that the podium was being set up to accommodate a taller man, McCain snapped, hurling expletives and epithets at the young aide as members of the press and supporters watched.
 
9.  Judy Leiby, Senior Aide to Sen. Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ)
In Ron Kessler's July 5, 2000 Newsmax piece titled, "McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President?" the author recounted McCain's encounter with Judy Leiby, a senior member of Senator Dennis DeConcini's staff.  DeConcini, an Arizona Democrat, had announced his retirement, and McCain had stopped by to wish him well.  Seeing a large crowd, McCain shook the hand of everyone in the office - except Leiby, who had differed with him on a number of issues during her time in DeConcini's office.  Sensing the awkwardness, one of the other staff members asked McCain if he'd been introduced to Leiby.  "Oh," he said,  "I know her."  McCain wheeled back to Leiby and said, "I'm so glad you're out of a job, and I'll see to it that you never work again."  McCain admitted that he'd made the comment, saying that he hadn't held Leiby in "particularly high esteem."
 
8.  Jim Abbot, Coronado National Forest Supervisor
In the same Newsmax piece mentioned above, Kessler interviewed Jim Abbot, a park ranger who oversaw operations at Coronado National Forest, a large forest located in McCain's home state.  Abbot had become concerned that construction on a new building at the University of Arizona was threatening some of the park's endangered wildlife, and petitioned for a temporary halt to construction.  When it was granted, McCain got in touch with him.  "If you don't cooperate on this project," he threatened, "you'll be the shortest tenured supervisor in the history of the Forest Service."
 
7.  Robin Silver, Bob Witzeman - Medical Doctors
Stemming from the issue of construction and the endangered species in Coronado National Forest, McCain received a visit from two doctors who had been involved in local environmental preservation: Robin Silver, and Bob Witzeman.  At the very mention of the matter, McCain exploded, slamming his fists on his desk, scattering papers about the room, and unleashing a tirade of expletives and threats that lasted for 10 minutes.  Silver commented that McCain's outburst was uncalled for, and McCain apologized.
 
6.  Rep. John LeBoutillier (R-NY)
A New York Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. John LeBoutillier had interviewed McCain in a meeting regarding POWs.  During the meeting, LeBoutillier had placed a tape recorder on the table.
 
Later, LeBoutillier encountered McCain in the course of House business, but McCain refused to speak to him without confirming that he wasn't tape recording the conversation.  "Are you wired up?" McCain demanded.  Despite LeBoutilliers assertions that he was not, McCain insisted that he lower his pants and prove that he was not wearing any kind of listening device.
 
"He's a vicious person," LeBoutillier said of his former colleague.
 
5.  Senator Richard Shelby, (R-AL)
In a piece that ran in the January 28, 2000 edition of Investor's Business Daily titled, "Can McCain Control His Temper?" the editorial board raised the issue of an incident between McCain and another of his Senate colleagues, Republican Richard Shelby of Alabama. Shelby had cast a vote against the nomination of Defense Secretary John Tower, and McCain became enraged, getting an inch away from Shelby's face.  McCain screamed at him, letting expletives and names fly.  Mcain was "half boasting" when he said, "I was madder than hell when I accosted him."
 
4.  Delegation of Female Air Force Pilots
Former editor of the Arizona Republic, Pat Murphy, wrote a detailed editorial that was carried by a number of different papers in December of 1999.  Murphy pointed to an incident in which a delegation interested in expanding opportunities for female pilots visited McCain at his Senate office back in 1991.  McCain greeted them by calling them "honey," and "sweetie," and then proceeded to disparage them, calling them "a bunch of Pat Schroeders."  Schroeder was a Colorado Democrat who had championed women's rights issues while in office.
 
3.  Diane Smith, a McCain Constituent
Murphy also mentions Diane Smith, a constituent of McCain, who wrote to the Senator to criticize what she perceived as unfair treatment of Anita Hill, the woman who claimed to have been sexually harassed by then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas.  McCain personally called the 60 year-old woman and berated her for "questioning [his] integrity."
 
2.  Sandra Dowling, Maricopa County School Superintendent
In a 60 Minutes interview with Morley Safer, Sandra Dowling, the Maricopa County (Arizona) superintendent of schools, recounted the time she'd refused McCain's demand that she retract her support of a political rival of one of McCain's protégés.  McCain screamed at her, threatening to "destroy" her.  Her son soon thereafter lost his appointment to the US Naval Academy (of which McCain is an alum).  McCain denied any connection, though he sits as an ex officio member of the Board of Visitors.
 
1.  NBC
The television network NBC refused to support a television rating system that McCain had proposed be introduced.  McCain wrote to the network's president, Robert Wright, threatening to work to have the Federal Communications Commission lift NBC licenses on locally-owned stations.

http://www.eyesonobama.com/blog/content/id_20282/title_McCains-History-of-Blow-Ups-10-More-Examples/

You guys are too funny.....

What do you call the guy who graduates medical school at the bottom of the class?

Doctor.

What do you call the guy who graduates at the bottom of Annapolis?

Lieutenant.

Keep scraping the bottom of the barrel there though.......it's fun to watch!