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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 07:40:30 AM » |
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... wow. More reason not to vote for him... I swear I'm getting more depressed everyday about Obama, though to make clear, McCain is looking no better (actually, he's worse in my eyes) and Clinton was a non-starter anyway. CHICAGO (AP) - Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans to expand President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and - in a move sure to cause controversy - support some ability to hire and fire based on faith. A) This is a clear attempt to pander to a bloc of voters that aren't entirely behind McCain at the moment... though I find it unlikely they will swing in large numbers to support Obama. B) If you get federal money you CAN'T discriminate on the basis of faith. Faith is NOT a legitimate basis to hire or fire someone - as a Muslim, he should know that  . C) I'm getting a little tired of him over-compensating for the rumor that he's not patriotic. Seriously... how many flags do you need up there?  Regardless, if the Democrats take Congress (like they're poised to do) and Obama becomes president, he'll never get this legislation through. |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 07:53:40 AM » |
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I think the idea is solid.
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2008, 08:02:35 AM » |
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It's only a good idea if Senator Obama expands the program. Under President Bush it was awful!
More novel thinking from the empty suit....
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Never let us do wrong, because our opponents did so. Let us, rather, by doing right, show them what they ought to have done, and establish a rule the dictates of reason and conscience, rather than of the angry passions.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 08:18:06 AM » |
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... wow. More reason not to vote for him... I swear I'm getting more depressed everyday about Obama, though to make clear, McCain is looking no better (actually, he's worse in my eyes) and Clinton was a non-starter anyway. CHICAGO (AP) - Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans to expand President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and - in a move sure to cause controversy - support some ability to hire and fire based on faith. A) This is a clear attempt to pander to a bloc of voters that aren't entirely behind McCain at the moment... though I find it unlikely they will swing in large numbers to support Obama. B) If you get federal money you CAN'T discriminate on the basis of faith. Faith is NOT a legitimate basis to hire or fire someone - as a Muslim, he should know that . C) I'm getting a little tired of him over-compensating for the rumor that he's not patriotic. Seriously... how many flags do you need up there? Regardless, if the Democrats take Congress (like they're poised to do) and Obama becomes president, he'll never get this legislation through. Obama is an empty suit... but lets just hope most peiopel dont find out uintil after November. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 10:13:21 AM » |
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How pathetic.
It was a stupid idea when Bush had and it remains so.
Who decides what religions qualify and which don't and why?
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A method of confirming others in their errors.
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2008, 10:33:52 AM » |
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Who decides what religions qualify... Christians... ... and which don't... Non-Christians... ... and why? Cause they're the majority... Like it or lump it... |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2008, 10:37:16 AM » |
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Why is it stupid to use a system (religion) that already effectively doles out charity? The soup kitchens in our area are already run by church groups. Why not give them some money and let them provide the same services to more people?
It couldn't make better sense.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2008, 10:45:47 AM » |
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Why is it stupid to use a system (religion) that already effectively doles out charity? The soup kitchens in our area are already run by church groups. Why not give them some money and let them provide the same services to more people?
It couldn't make better sense. I have no problem with ANY of that... but if federal funds are being accepted despite an institution's discrimintory hiring practices, that's wrong. |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2008, 10:46:09 AM » |
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Why is it stupid to use a system (religion) that already effectively doles out charity? The soup kitchens in our area are already run by church groups. Why not give them some money and let them provide the same services to more people?
It couldn't make better sense.
The government should not be giving money to religions. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2008, 11:05:42 AM » |
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The government should not be giving money to religions.
Tell that to Senator Obama. He wants to expand it! |
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2008, 11:17:16 AM » |
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Hey...he had to do something after tossing his church under the bus......
Unlike JPN, Cass, and other Democrat apologists who ridicule, denigrate and mock religion....Obama see's the value in those of faith since they make up the vast majority of the electorate.....
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2008, 11:27:12 AM » |
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Hey...he had to do something after tossing his church under the bus......
When he stood by Wright, you wingnuts asked, How could he stand by a racist? When Wright shot off his mouth again and Obama said, "enough." You nuts said, how could he throw his church under the bus? So which is it? Ah, right wing "logic". How do you live with yourself? Thank god you guys will be driven out of power this November. Maybe you'll learn some ability to reason in your walk through the wilderness. |
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2008, 11:32:46 AM » |
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Hey...he had to do something after tossing his church under the bus...... Speaking of Write............   Unlike JPN, Cass, and other Democrat apologists who ridicule, denigrate and mock religion....Obama see's the value in those of faith since they make up the vast majority of the electorate..... So you admit to being nothing more then a voting bloc? |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2008, 11:39:21 AM » |
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Wrong. It's another classic flip flop from Mr. Empty Suit.
From: 'I can no more disown [Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother' on March 18 to
(funny how it's not just his "grandmother"...)
Now: 'Senator Barack Obama, saying that he'd had enough, forcefully repudiated his former pastor today and declared that racially charged remarks made by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. contradict "all that I stand for.' on April 29.
So when you ask "Which is it?" that's a question you should aim directly at Senator Obama. Nothing happened in those five or six weeks that hadn't happened in twenty-years of "God Damn America" preaching.
So what happened that justifies his flip flop again?
You miss the fundamental question: How could he have been so blind for those twenty years - that's the issue you're missing. His flip-flop and throwing his friend under the bus is just a political expediency by a politician. Gotta stab somebody in the back to get ahead, right? Might as well be your friends, you know, the ones that baptized your children and performed your marriage ceremony. If you're going to sell your soul, might as well go long.
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