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Author Topic: Obama to 'refine' Iraq plan - I.E. Flip, Flop....  (Read 264 times)
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« on: July 03, 2008, 02:02:09 PM »

HAHA,... Obama got the wingnuts to vote for him in the primary.. Now he is going to drop his withdrawl plans from Iraq... LOLOLOLOL

Dude Liberals must be going nuts today lolol./

I remeber in a debate... he said "I am the ONLY candidate that will get the troops out immediatly" or something very close to that...




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11517.html
 
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Thursday backed off his firm promise to withdraw combat forces from Iraq immediately and instead said he could “refine” his plan after his trip to Baghdad later this month.
Earlier, a top Obama adviser had said that the senator is not “wedded” to a specific timeline.

Obama told reporters in Fargo, N.D., that he is “going to do a thorough assessment."

"When I go to Iraq and I have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies," he said, according to CBS News. “I have been consistent, throughout this process, that I believe the war in Iraq was a mistake.”

Obama later said at a second news conference he still intends to stick to the timeline.

The original Obama plan, still on his website, promises: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

In a separate six-page Iraq plan, he says in a section headed “All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009”: “The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year — now.”

David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, began backing off during remarks Wednesday on CNN’s “Situation Room,” telling guest host John Roberts that Obama has actually advocated “a phased withdrawal, with benchmarks for the Iraqi government to meet, that called for strategic pauses, based on the progress on these benchmarks and advice on the commanders on the ground.”

“He's always said that he would listen to the advice of commanders on the ground, that that would factor into his thinking,” Axelrod said. “He's also always said that we had to be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. So he's been very consistent on this point. ...

“I think he will take the advice, not just the advice of the commanders on the ground but his general assessment of conditions on the ground in calibrating that withdrawal. He said he thought we could get one to two brigades out a month. But he's not wedded to that in the face of events. No president would be. And he's always said that he's never said that this withdrawal would be without any possibility of alteration based on events on the ground. That would not be a prudent thing to do for any president.”

The Republican National Committee plans to make an issue of the evolving statements and has posted “Obama’s Iraq Guessing Game,” rounding up various statements on Iraq by the senator, his aides and surrogates.






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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2008, 02:08:22 PM »

Yeah "refining" his plans to withdrawl Reaganite. It says nothing about staying in Iraq.He wants to get the troops out of there in the best and safest possible way so he's talking to military leaders. Sounds like good  responsible planning to me.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2008, 02:39:46 PM »

Yeah "refining" his plans to withdrawl Reaganite. It says nothing about staying in Iraq.He wants to get the troops out of there in the best and safest possible way so he's talking to military leaders. Sounds like good  responsible planning to me.

Agreed.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2008, 03:12:02 PM »

lol... come on... he got his nomination by getting teh crzy left nuts to vote for him over Hillary and now he is trying to move to the center...

heh.. he is intent on screwing this up, and keeping McCain in the race it seems.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2008, 03:34:36 PM »

I thought they voted for him over Hilary because Hilary is so obviously nuts. I can't stand her. Can't stand the way she hides behind her husband one minute then tries to play the "headstrong woman" the next. Every time she gets 'serious' she looks either crazy or like she's going to cry.



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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2008, 04:39:00 PM »

Ahk, who can tell who or what Reaganite actually supports or doesn't?  There are many such as me, who neither voted for Hillary nor Obama in the long ago CA primaries, but now have to make an ultimate decision come November. Nader, Barr, McCain or Obama?  Poor Reaganite,
his hero is long dead and gone so it appears all he has left is to damn others.  Flip/flop has become such a GOP mantra, they fail to notice, or
avoid, those that now include a very long list related to their candidate. 

Considering the far too early begun election season created by Hillary, as the changes occur in circumstances, related to the whole large variety of issues as that evolution continues to take place, I think, though Obama was not my choice, a person who can respond to change
rather than one, as we've experienced over the past almost eight years who has appeared to have his head is stuck in concrete, is a refreshing and wise person.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 06:28:36 PM »

 This idiot ignorant moron Bonzonite like the rest of the idiot ignorant moron REPIGLICONS don't know the difference between the words REFINE and REDEFINE? Let me help you poor ignorant idiots...
 The word Obama used:re·fine   - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-fahyn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -fined, -fin·ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to bring to a fine or a pure state; free from impurities: to refine metal, sugar, or petroleum. 
2. to purify from what is coarse, vulgar, or debasing; make elegant or cultured. 
3. to bring to a finer state or form by purifying. 
4. to make more fine, subtle, or precise: to refine one's writing style. 
–verb (used without object) 5. to become pure. 
6. to become more fine, elegant, or polished. 
7. to make fine distinctions in thought or language. 
—Verb phrase8. refine on or upon, to improve by inserting finer distinctions, superior elements, etc.: to refine on one's previous 

 The word the lying pigs would like us to believe he used;redefine

verb
1.  give a new or different definition to; "She redefined his duties" 
2.  give a new or different definition of (a word

 Grasping at straws trying to paint obama as a flip flopper by playing games with words and betting the American people are stupid enough to not know the difference? Shame on you you lying pigs!

The bottom line is Obama WILL get us out of Iraq.
 McBush will have us there for fucking ever!
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 07:32:28 PM »

I thought this was an interesting read.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4264994.ece

Like the article said, Obama is only doing what every other politician has done since the beginning of time. He's moderating his earlier extreme positions, once he get the nomination.

The only downside for him is, he's painted himself as a different politician.

He's not. That's still OK. The far left is pissed with him now but they will still back him, so it's a no lose, for him.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 07:52:50 PM »

lol.. umm just like it was said earlier the next preisdent will not be "getting us out of Iraq" if Obama is to win he will use it as his campaign slogen in 2012... "I mean it this time.. seriously I will get us out!!"

Obama is an empty suit the same as McCain, which ever win america will get what the deserve in this election.

In 2012 I will be pushing for John Thune. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thune

I am voting for Obama in November because I want to kill Liberalism, and dont want Mccain in office as a Lefty calling himself a conservative.

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2008, 03:13:12 AM »

You're still upset that Hillary lost, aren't you?
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2008, 09:44:44 AM »

I wanted hillary or Obama to be our next president but obama is more liberal so he will mess up a whole lot more so I guess he is the best for my plans Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2008, 10:18:25 AM »

And what exactly our your "plans" Reaganite? You act like you have some grand master plan that the neo-cons are going to actually follow in the next 4 years and that you will be rewarded for your internet crusading. Did you ever think that Obama might get re-elected for doing a great job? What then Reaganite? All your brilliant plans are down the toilet, and you have Obama for 8 years of misery. You aren't voting for Obama or a democrat.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2008, 10:43:26 AM »

Careful JFA you may get Bonzo angry
 
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