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Author Topic: Bush heckled at Monticello during 4th of July naturalization ceremony  (Read 333 times)
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« on: July 04, 2008, 11:29:54 AM »

 Traditional ceremonies and rites of passage are an Important part of the Human developmental experience.  And, as with any event, who you have as Master of Ceremonies is pivotal on whether its a hit or a disaster.
    So its no small wonder that when George Bush Jr. hit the podium at the annual Fourth of July naturalization ceremony held at Monticello, that disaster was imminent.
  First off, If Thomas Jefferson was alive today, he would of already challenged Bush to a duel for the honor of Mother America, and then shot Bush down like the War profiteering, Mass Murdering, elitist dolt that he is..(I'm sure the whole World would weep bitter tears of anguish over bush's loss).  So, to have Bush invoking the spirit of Jefferson...well.....lets just say Bush should be glad Jefferson's spirit didn't show, least he get his ass kicked. 
  Hecklers continually interrupted the President speech with comments such as :"Bush is a Fascist", and the ever popular "Go F_ck yourself".
  Bush spoke on about how "we believe in free speech here in America" as the hecklers were escorted to jail in hand cuffs.  Bush went on to say: "We honor Jefferson’s legacy by aiding the rise of liberty in lands that do not know the blessings of freedom".....So Bush used Jefferson's name and legacy in an attempt to legitimize his own quests for Empire and justify the deaths of thousands of U.S. and Foreign service men & Women, let alone the tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan ......Nauseating
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 01:24:20 PM »

Hecklers continually interrupted the President speech with comments such as :"Bush is a Fascist", and the ever popular "Go F_ck yourself".
Bush spoke on about how "we believe in free speech here in America" as the hecklers were escorted to jail in hand cuffs.

Put down the crackpipe you crackhead. I watched the whole speech and the hecklers were allowed to "be jackasses". They were not arrested and the "jackasses" were allowed to stay throughout the whole speech. So take your lying idealogy and Bush hatred thread and shove it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2008, 01:52:32 PM »

I'd like to see class and dignity in this, of all days...no matter ideology.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 03:46:33 PM »

The unfortunate reality is that many loyal and patriotic American citizens see in George W. Bush, and the policies and practices of his Administration, a reflection of the list of grievances that the Declaration of Independence put forward on July 4, 1776.  Maybe some believe it is time to follow Jefferson's advice so as a result they no longer respect the man nor the office. 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands."

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm


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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 06:38:10 PM »

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Put down the crackpipe you crackhead. I watched the whole speech and the hecklers were allowed to "be jackasses". They were not arrested and the "jackasses" were allowed to stay throughout the whole speech. So take your lying idealogy and Bush hatred thread and shove it.

 machioveli,   ABC news...and I quote: "By the time Bush finished his 10-minute remarks, at least nine protesters had been escorted out of the event by law enforcement".  So go f_ck yourself, nipple headed neo con.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 08:18:20 PM »

Free speech does not allow you to act like a jack ass for as long as you like.

Bush has to finish what he's saying at SOME point. If the douche with a sign keeps interupting him then they have to leave.

End. Of. Story.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2008, 11:22:55 PM »

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2008, 11:38:15 PM »

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Free speech does not allow you to act like a jack ass for as long as you like.

Bush has to finish what he's saying at SOME point. If the douche with a sign keeps interupting him then they have to leave.

End. Of. Story.

At some point we as a civilized society are forced to interrupt the actions of those who attempt to deprive us of our lawful rights.  At some point, and we are far past that point,  the douche making the speech should be forced to leave...end of speech.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2008, 07:22:28 AM »

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At some point we as a civilized society are forced to interrupt the actions of those who attempt to deprive us of our lawful rights.

Yeah but...that's not what was happening. It was a swearing in and Code Pink just follows the guy wherever he goes. He could've been dedicating a bridge or something it doesnt matter, all that matters is the cameras were there. Just what kind of "message" does Code Pink think they're sending out there that everyone hasn't heard and argued over for the last 6 years already?
Personally I don't think Code Pink convinces many or is even very compelling. They just scream. Anywhere anytime. They kind of remind me of the political polar opposite of those twits that heckle veteran funerals. It's just "the mob", it's not some romantic patriotic fight -- although im sure they tell themselves that -- its' just a set up for the spot light. Just like the "Don't-tase-me-dude!" guy. It really seemd like getting tazed was his plan all along and that's the reason no really gave a crap about him.


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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2008, 09:51:00 AM »

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Put down the crackpipe you crackhead. I watched the whole speech and the hecklers were allowed to "be jackasses". They were not arrested and the "jackasses" were allowed to stay throughout the whole speech. So take your lying idealogy and Bush hatred thread and shove it.

 machioveli,   ABC news...and I quote: "By the time Bush finished his 10-minute remarks, at least nine protesters had been escorted out of the event by law enforcement".  So go f_ck yourself, nipple headed neo con.


If someone came into your house yelling at you would you call the cops to kick him out or let him finish. This is what is wrong with pompus assclowns like you who are quick to yell your rights are being violated.  Do you think any of these idiots violated the rights of the people that came there to hear him speak?

Before you complain and use the first admendment as an excuse to be a jackass I suggest you do some homework and see what it entails.

"Government officials may not impose restrictions on protests or parades or other lawful assemblies in order to censor a particular viewpoint or because they dislike the content of the message. However, they may impose some limitations on assembly rights by enacting reasonable "time, place and manner" restrictions designed to further legitimate regulatory objectives, such as preventing traffic congestion or prohibiting interference with nearby activities."
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2008, 11:30:20 AM »

At some point we as a civilized society are forced to interrupt the actions of those who attempt to deprive us of our lawful rights.  At some point, and we are far past that point,  the douche making the speech should be forced to leave...end of speech.

Look, I hate the president as much as the next guy, but 20 people with signs and costumes won't bring about his impeachment. And note I'm not telling the protesters to "sit down and shut up". I'm only telling them not to be shocked when you get thrown out for causing a ruckus.

Again, free speech doesn't let you act like an ass for as long as you like. It let's you say (for the most part) what you want. It doesn't give you free range to continuously interupt a speaker. Otherwise, you're denying that guy the right he has to free speech.

"Freedom" goes both ways.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2008, 12:31:29 PM »

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If someone came into your house yelling at you would you call the cops to kick him out or let him finish. This is what is wrong with pompus assclowns like you who are quick to yell your rights are being violated.  Do you think any of these idiots violated the rights of the people that came there to hear him speak?

Before you complain and use the first admendment as an excuse to be a jackass I suggest you do some homework and see what it entails.

"Government officials may not impose restrictions on protests or parades or other lawful assemblies in order to censor a particular viewpoint or because they dislike the content of the message. However, they may impose some limitations on assembly rights by enacting reasonable "time, place and manner" restrictions designed to further legitimate regulatory objectives, such as preventing traffic congestion or prohibiting interference with nearby activities."

  As is the "standard of industry" for deviated rectums such as yourself, you've read a completely different meaning into my post then was intended.  I guess its like they say in that book "Men are from Mars, Neo cons are from your anus"...We just decipher data differently.  I hear Bush talk and become physically ill at the way his speech writers try to invoke feelings of pride and patriotism by exploiting the words and deeds of real patriots and then try to compare their boys war profiteering and mass murders to them.  You get upset with the hecklers because you actually LIKE the way Bush's speech writers weave a tale.  I, on the other hand, have no interest in the speech . I'm just there because I heard there were hecklers.
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2008, 12:50:08 PM »

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If someone came into your house yelling at you would you call the cops to kick him out or let him finish. This is what is wrong with pompus assclowns like you who are quick to yell your rights are being violated.  Do you think any of these idiots violated the rights of the people that came there to hear him speak?

  If someone came to my house and started yelling I would go out there and ask them what their problem was.  You see, Bush knows that he is every bit of what those hecklers were calling him, so he can't look them in the eye and say "just how am I a fascist" or "what makes you think I'm a war criminal"?  Because he knows what a p.o.s. he is.  You will NEVER see Bush stop his pre fabbed speech and say..."Now wait a minute, I'd like to address the gentleman who called me a war criminal"  which would be a NORMAL response from someone who is NOT a war criminal.
Instead, Bush doesn't want everyone to know what a piece of shit he is, so he sends his henchmen to shut them up. When the American public doesn't like what Bush says, we send in hecklers.
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