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jpn of Seattle
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« on: July 07, 2008, 06:53:48 PM »

Today McCain's campaign announced that he would balance the budget by the end of his first term in 2013.

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“American workers and families pay their bills and balance their budgets, and I will demand the same of the government,” Mr. McCain said at a campaign stop here. His top advisers went further, saying he would balance the budget by the end of his first term. today's NYT
He didn't say how.

This constitutes a remarkable flip-flop-flip:
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Mr. McCain has promised once again to balance the budget by the end of his first term in 2013, his advisers said Monday. They were reverting to an earlier pledge that Mr. McCain abandoned in April, when he proposed a series of costly tax cuts and, citing the ailing economy, said that it might take two terms to balance the budget. --today's NYT.

First of all, he has claimed that he will make Bush's tax cuts permanent (flip-floping from his earlier opposition to the tax cuts because, he said, they were too targeted toward the rich).
***Annual cost, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, by 2013: $443 billion***

And he said he'd repeal the AMT.
***Cost, about $100 billion a year***

And he said that he was for a whole pack of tax breaks for all his corporate America friends.
***Cost, about another $100 billion a year.***

He's content to stay in Iraq indefinately, while Afghanistan is spiraling downhill. Cost. Who knows? Tens, probably hundreds of billions a year.

As for program cuts, he's been pretty vague about that. Something about, let's see, what was it? Oh yes, he was for "cutting waste."

Now suddenly he's going to balance the budget in four years. Most politicans would become a laughing stock if, from the ideological corner they had painted themselves into, they then claimed such a thing. But McCain is such a media darling that most reports I see are, at most, vaguely critical of his announcement, but nothing like the thundering derision it deserves. Meanwhile, if people believe McCain, they'll believe anything. And if they don't believe McCain, they might suspect that "Mr. Straight talk" will say anything, anything, to win.

Meanwhile, McCain is caught on the horns of a dilema, with one foot tepidly in each of the two camps of conservative economics: the deficit hawks (who have been in full retreat since the Reagan years) and the supply-siders.
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 08:51:53 PM »

I did see this today.  And for all the neo-con bleating about Obama's flip flops, this one is stunning for McSame.  I wonder how many will simply avoid this thread so they don't get their noses rubbed in their hypocracy?
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 09:01:25 PM »

JPN, I commented on this earlier today on another thread as I'm an old timer who remembers well the "budget balancing act" back in the Reagan Administration and added this post from the Times years ago about Reagan. Good old Gramm, Rudman, Hollings, what ever happened to it?


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE7DB1F3EF935A15751C0A961948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

Reagan never seemed to have a real problem with "busting the budget" most especially for the purpose of the DOD with the restoration of all of those old battleships, now
proven non-working weaponry, and there was "star wars" which may or may not all these decades later be marginally successful.

Maybe McCain really wants to balance the budget with cuts in Social Security and Medicare while avoiding actually touching that "third rail" of politics and upsetting the elderly who depend on them? Where did he say those cuts were going to come from? 
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 09:14:22 PM »

Time to depart, but from the NY Times some reality instead of pipe dreams. Would you buy a used car from McCain?

July 8, 2008
Skepticism on McCain Plan To Balance Budget by 2013

By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON — The package of spending and tax cuts proposed by Senator John McCain is unlikely to achieve his goal of balancing the federal budget by 2013, economists and fiscal experts said Monday.

“It would be very difficult to achieve in the best of circumstances, and even more difficult under the policies that Senator McCain has proposed,” said Robert L. Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan budget watchdog group.

Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, is proposing billions of dollars in tax cuts. But advisers to Mr. McCain said those costs would be more than offset by savings from slower growth in spending.

In his proposal, Mr. McCain said he would hold overall spending growth to 2.4 percent a year. That is a tall order because federal spending has been growing an average of more than 6 percent a year in the last five years.

Mr. McCain said he would also slow the growth of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and fiscal experts agree that he would need to do that to achieve his goal. But Mr. McCain did not give details of how he would alter those benefit programs, which have powerful constituencies, including older Americans, a huge health care industry and state and local government officials.

A longtime foe of pet projects known as earmarks, Mr. McCain said he would stop such spending. The Bush White House says earmarks this year total $17 billion, a comparatively small share of a $2.9 trillion budget.

Mr. McCain proposed a one-year freeze in most domestic spending subject to annual appropriations, “to allow for a comprehensive review.” This proposal would affect education, scientific research, law enforcement and scores of other programs.

Mr. Bush’s battles with Congress suggest it would be extremely difficult for Mr. McCain to win approval for such a freeze.

Mr. McCain said he was counting on “rapid economic growth” to help reduce the deficit. While a growing economy generates additional revenue, several of Mr. McCain’s tax proposals would be costly, experts said.

He would “phase out and eliminate” a provision of the tax code known as the alternative minimum tax, which has ensnared a growing number of middle-class Americans in recent years.

By his own account, repealing this tax “will save middle-class families nearly $60 billion in a single year.” That is $60 billion that would presumably not be available to the Treasury.

Mr. McCain also wants to extend many of the Bush tax cuts, scheduled to expire by Jan. 1, 2011. That could reduce tax collections below the levels assumed under current law, and it could widen the deficit, many economists said.

In January, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that extending the Bush tax cuts would cost more than $700 billion in the next five years.

Since January, the economy has been weaker than expected, making the goal of a balanced budget more difficult to achieve. The budget deficit in the current fiscal year is running much higher than in the previous year.

Other McCain proposals, like doubling the personal tax exemption for dependents and cutting the corporate income tax rate, would also reduce revenues, economists said.

C. Eugene Steuerle of the Urban Institute, who worked in the Reagan administration, said Mr. McCain “may well be committed to balancing the budget in five years, but does not tell you how he would reach that goal.”

J. Bradford DeLong, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, who worked at the Treasury under President Bill Clinton, said, “Senator McCain and his advisers want to claim they will balance the budget by 2013, but they have given us no clue and no plan to meet all the commitments he has made and still get there.”

On the other hand, history shows the deficit sometimes shrinks faster than experts expect.

That happened in 1998 in the Clinton administration, when the government ran a surplus for the first time in nearly three decades. And Mr. Bush cut the deficit in half faster than he or many fiscal experts had predicted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/us/politics/08budget.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1215493671-lv1vUX/11251fJtGtplSbQ&pagewanted=print
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 04:43:38 AM »

I'd rather McCain try and fail than to elect someone who has no intention of even trying to curb government spending but rather is looking to install tens...maybe hundreds of billions of dollars of new government and will absolutely soak ALL of us to pay for it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 04:50:03 AM »

I'd rather McCain try and fail than to elect someone who has no intention of even trying to curb government spending but rather is looking to install tens...maybe hundreds of billions of dollars of new government and will absolutely soak ALL of us to pay for it.

That is cute that you assume he is even going to try.  I guess it comes down to which McCain you want to believe in.  You have quite a few choices from what I have seen of his "positions"
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 05:29:32 AM »

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That is cute that you assume he is even going to try.

Just saying he'll try gives me a modicum of hope as opposed to Obama who says flat out that he'll expand government and raise taxes.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 06:16:56 AM »

Just saying he'll try gives me a modicum of hope as opposed to Obama who says flat out that he'll expand government and raise taxes.

I've never seen Obama say anything at all like this.  Can you prove it???  Got any links?

In fact, just  based on the fact that Obama wants out of Iraq, and McCain wants to stay in Iraq means that more money is likely to be spent in a McCain administration. 

With all due respect, yours is a common Republican war cry which is misguided.  The Reagan / Bushes era generated huge increases in government spending, and soaring debt.  The Clinton administration eventually operated at a surplus.  High government spending and increasing government debt is terrible for the economy, and I fear that's in fact what we'll see with McCain.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 06:30:08 AM »

Just saying he'll try gives me a modicum of hope as opposed to Obama who says flat out that he'll expand government and raise taxes.

Kevin Drum: "Sure, but what's a Republican to do these days? They're supposed to be fiscal conservatives, which means they have to pretend to love balanced budgets. So McCain does. Raising taxes is, however, verboten by party fiat, which leaves an aspiring GOP president only two choices: (a) reducing spending and (b) magic. Unfortunately for our hero, proposing actual, concrete budget cuts of any substance is political suicide and he knows it. This leaves magic as the only alternative."

Neue is encouraged that McCain has chosen magic.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 06:38:49 AM »

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I've never seen Obama say anything at all like this.  Can you prove it???  Got any links?

From his site...briefly...

Provide Additional Tax Rebates to American Workers
Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund
Provide $10 billion in Relief for State and Local Governments Hardest-Hit by the Housing Crisis to Prevent Cuts in Vital Services
Extend and Expand Unemployment Insurance
Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators
Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership
Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years...
Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies
Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank
Invest in the Sciences
Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent
Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies
Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators
Raise the Minimum Wage
Create a New FHA Housing Security Program
Create a Universal Mortgage Credit
Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures
Expand the Family and Medical Leave Act
Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave
Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

My hands are tired of copying and pasting but you get the idea.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 06:52:17 AM »

What's the point of saying you can even balance the budget?

Any plan that isn't long-term is devoid of economic understanding... and anything that is long term is a joke because not only can we not project what will happen tomorrow (God forbid the next 10 or 20 years), but chances are good that the opposition party is just gonna come in and change everything anyway...

... so why bother pretending like it's even possible?

I don't mean this as criticism of any party or candidate. I mean this as criticism of our current economic position - which is deplorable.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 07:01:08 AM »

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concrete budget cuts of any substance is political suicide and he knows it

So is raising taxes and Obama knows it. That's why he says only people making over $250,000 will see a tax increase...ie: the 'rich.' Soaking the 'rich' sounds good and makes people 'feel' good but the reality is, we'll ALL get hit with higher taxes and Obama knows it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2008, 07:24:12 AM »

From his site...briefly...

Provide Additional Tax Rebates to American Workers
Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund
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Show me again where this says he expands government and raises taxes ... I appreciate all of the cut and paste, but it's just not there.

In fact, this is eerily similar to McCain's economic plan, which contains many of the same line items.  He has many items in his plan, such as the Lexington Project, his HOME plan, his $5000 contribution to every American family's health care plan, and so forth.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/Issues/JobsforAmerica/briefing.pdf

It seems irrefutable that the candidate that is intent on continuing the Iraq war indefinitely, at a cost of over $340M a day, has the smallest chance of balancing the budget. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2008, 07:28:01 AM »

we'll ALL get hit with higher taxes and Obama knows it.

You opinion is noted but not very important. McCain promises more of the same and somehow you think it will work this time.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2008, 07:52:23 AM »

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Show me again where this says he expands government and raises taxes

Every one of those items listed are new and by definition is an expansion of government.

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You opinion is noted but not very important.

True

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McCain promises more of the same and somehow you think it will work this time.

I think raising taxes in a fragile economy is an absolutely terrible idea. Is there anyone (other than JPN) who think it IS  good idea?

That isn't change I can believe in.
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