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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 01:21:45 PM »

Irwin, while you have a point about others not choosing the republic form of government chosen by the founders, even nations who have parliamentary systems often are unable to achieve elections because of deadlock in the parliaments. I would assert that Harper, and until recently, the ultimate removal of Howard in Australia, or the record
years Blair was able to hold on in Britain are examples.  Though Olmert has been repeatedly investigated for possible criminal actions in Israel, it has taken a while for a new
election to be forced in the Knesset.

It is often said, "Politics is the art of compromise.  Over the life of the United States of America, much has been accomplished by the use of that art even when there has existed "one party government."  However, never have I observed in the legislative branch of government the refusal of the GOP  to compromise as has occurred under the
current Bush/Cheney Administrations.  This leads me to suggest, as I have, not just the issue of one party government has in the specific case been devastating. Additionally, I pointed out the various elements in the Democatic Party which appears to prove the old saw, "We're Democrats we aren't an organized Party."  But those among the elected members of the GOP to the legislative branch the formerly, more compromising so-called "Rockefeller Republicans," are almost non-existent as a factor in the GOP.  IMHO, the result has been lockstep support by the GOP of Bush/Cheney initiatives, policies and practices including stacking the courts with right wing judges. Even under the Democratic control of Congress, Roosevelt was denied his attempt to create and stack a Supreme Court.

IMHO, the current Democratic leadership in Congress has been a factor and should be those described as "spineless."  Pelosi's decision to take impeachment off the table before even being sworn in is one example along with her election to begin with, as well as the system that remains in the Democratic Caucus in the Senate for the leader to
be decided by seniority.  I suspect few understand the process for choosing the leadership in the House, but rather than experience or ability to make informed and relevant
choices, the Speaker of the House is typically chosen based on his or her ability at fundraising and the promise to provide for those in office to continue to remain there. Not
just my personal cynicism speaking, but the result of employment on the staff of a now retired member of the House Leadership who served as Chair of the DCCCa, a leadership position.

I would also assert allowing Lieberman to continue to caucus in the Senate with Democrats was a major mistake by Reid after he ran against the Democratic candidate and was primarily elected by the GOP as an (I).

On the specific issue of this post and the FISA legislation signed by Bush into law, it will be of great interest to me to see how the courts respond to the ACLU lawsuit already filed. 

"The ACLU's legal challenge, which was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York today, seeks a court order declaring that the new law is unconstitutional and ordering its immediate and permanent halt.

In a separate filing, the ACLU asked the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to ensure that any proceedings relating to the scope, meaning or constitutionality of the new law be open to the public to the extent possible. The ACLU also asked the secret court to allow it to file a brief and participate in oral arguments, to order the government to file a public version of its briefs addressing the law's constitutionality, and to publish any judicial decision that is ultimately issued. "

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/35942prs20080710.html 

 
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 07:42:57 PM »

I think almost everyone in D.C. should be fired and sent to work in a chain gang, at least a chain gang would get things done.

Indeed, they do.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2008, 06:21:22 AM »

As I say, NO ONE choses us as a model for their democracy.

Yes, it's interesting isn't it? I wonder how many Americans have noticed that no other country has chosen our model of government. They almost all choose a form of parliamentary government, with proportional representation.

I'd much prefer proportional representation rather than our winner-take-all approach. It results in more parties, giving voters more choices.
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2008, 08:55:02 PM »

I would suggest again, the Framers chose the form of government they did for some very valid reasons.  One being it was different by far from the system they created a
revolution against with Britain being a parliamentary monarchy.  While we look to the North beyond to 49th to Canada and also to Australia when considering parliamentary systems, both remained, unlike the U.S. following the Revolution, members of the Commonwealth with parliamentary systems being the natural way to establish their governments.  I'm not sure how many other former British colonies, now independent nations chose parliamentary systems for the same reason. Perhaps, that form of government may have been the one of greater familiarity or an agreed upon choice in the process of becoming independent?   

However, while some might at this point prefer a different system, IMHO some of the problems with the current electoral system are not so much a result of the choices of the Framers, but of those elements in the Constitution left to the States.  The consequence is some of the issues of this election year with the changes that came about in conflicts between actions taken by state legislatures such as those in Michigan and Florida.  The states determine how the electoral votes are distributed.  Though there was an earlier attempt at putting an initiative in CA on the ballot changes the distribution, it remains a winner take all state.

On the topic of the issue of this thread, I"ll be interested if the ACLU will be successful in getting and injunction in the Federal Court to stop the enforcement of thie FISA law
signed by Bush.  Any opinions on that factor? 

 
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2008, 06:07:39 AM »

On the topic of the issue of this thread, I"ll be interested if the ACLU will be successful in getting and injunction in the Federal Court to stop the enforcement of thie FISA law signed by Bush.  Any opinions on that factor? 

I think federal judges who are conservatives will support the FISA law, while liberal judges will tend to be skeptical of it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2008, 11:59:01 AM »

A bit of research may explain the ACLU's choice for filing the case in the Southern District Court of New York.  This Wikipedia lists the judges who serve on that court, the largest in the country, as well as who appointed them.  Other information shows Chief Judge Kimba Wood, was expected to be Clinton's number two choice for the Supremes, but withdrew as the result of a "nanny problem."  Though Reagan appointed Wood to the court her background might suggest along with being Clinton's choice that court might be considered more "liberal" than others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_District_Court_for_the_Southern_District_of_New_York

Wood, Kimba Maureen
Born 1944 in Port Townsend, WA

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Judge, U. S. District Court, Southern District of New York
Nominated by Ronald Reagan on December 18, 1987, to a seat vacated by Constance Baker Motley; Confirmed by the Senate on April 19, 1988, and received commission on April 20, 1988. Served as chief judge, 2006-present.

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Connecticut College, B.A., 1965

London School of Economics, M.Sc., 1966

Harvard Law School, J.D., 1969

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Private practice, Washington, DC, 1969-1970
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Private practice, New York City, 1971-1988


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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2008, 12:07:48 AM »

What the hell, Obama voted for this? He originally voted not to spy on Americans and now he has had a change in heart? Not good for a politician running on change. Maybe the system really has failed.   

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2008, 01:12:02 PM »

Seriously... what's the point in having 2 parties anymore?

There were never really two parties, just ask Noam Chomsky. There are two sides of the same party: the Big Business Party.
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