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Terry Mathis
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« Reply #90 on: July 24, 2008, 04:41:00 PM »


Crypto,

     Sometimes Cedar is overly sensitive and cannot clearly see the other side of the coin. Maybe she is embittered about something but it won't wash with me either. Cedar and her people are NOT the only ones to suffer. Both my countries have and are suffering even as I write this (dual citizenship, U.S. and Australian).

I hope Cedar stops with the attempted emotional blackmail and thinks about others who suffer...
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« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2008, 06:41:13 PM »


Crypto,

     Sometimes Cedar is overly sensitive and cannot clearly see the other side of the coin. Maybe she is embittered about something but it won't wash with me either. Cedar and her people are NOT the only ones to suffer. Both my countries have and are suffering even as I write this (dual citizenship, U.S. and Australian).

I hope Cedar stops with the attempted emotional blackmail and thinks about others who suffer...

Terry,

I appreciate your words.  I've always held Cedar in high regards and find her opinion a valuable one.  But there are some things that make me cranky - and one of them is when someone assumes I can't understand something because I haven't experienced it first hand.  I've seen my share of terrible things though I don't pretend to know what it is like to watch tanks firing on my home, or troops smashing down my door and carrying away my family. 

I realize I am blessed to live in America, but America had its growing pains as well.  We also fought a superior military in the late 18th century and we also fought our own bloody civil war in the middle of the 19th century.  I can't help that my fortunes now come because of the blood, sweat, and tears of others before me nor can I help that others after me will bare the painful burden of defending liberty and freedom.

But I have studied history and I spend a great deal of my spare time contemplating what is happening in the world.  I have my own life.  I spend most of my time during the day (at work) running complex simulations on communications networks that won't be commercially available for another 30 years.  I've published papers on OFDM, high-performance processor-memory convergent architectures, and computational cryptography (among other things).  I've spent a lot of time with my face buried in textbooks studying numerical analysis, Fourier series and transforms, thermodynamics, modern physics, radar systems, optics, electromagnetics, orbital mechanics, and a list of other things most people don't care about. 

The point is that those things are wildly different from anything we ever talk about here.  I come to these boards to voice my opinion and to hear the opinions of others.  I don't come here to be called blood-thirsty, brainwashed, or cold-blooded especially when my words, though they may have been better chosen, were certainly not malicious in nature.  I come here to learn and share but like clockwork there is ALWAYS someone who says, "You're American, you don't get it" or "I wouldn't expect an American to understand", or "Americans don't care about people."  It never ends. 

Newsflash, there are plenty of Americans just like me that do care and believe it or not we do understand.  We want things to be better and we have our own ideas about how they can be better.  It may come as a surprise, but some of us can read and some of us can analyze - perhaps better than one might think.

If we've got it wrong, debate us on the issues.  As soon as you get into the name-calling I start getting angry and when you start to equate American with stupid, or lazy, or ignorant, or blood-thirsty, I get defensive.  I find that crap incredibly disrespectful, shortsighted, and antithesis to anything we should be doing on a message board such as this.
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« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2008, 12:45:12 AM »

Fred you pointed interesting thing. You see those sneaky Arabs made me, an Israeli to believe that they have right of return. So what about all Lebanese who fled to Europe because their country suck ass? What about all those Israelis who fled to US or Europe because Arabs made Israel suck ass?
Lets admit that Palestine sucks ass, since it got it's independence it fought with Israel and turned all the  region to mayhem.
Palestine is deserted land with no oil or other natural resources but full of non educated Arabs who can't do a damn thing except mechanical devices used with explosives. Those Arabs speak about Palestine like it would be different than Egypt where kids run after tourist to get a snack.
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« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2008, 12:51:35 AM »

You know, I really don't see where you get off being such a grade A female dog Cedar. Name one thing I have said that compares to anything as disgusting as the blind, ignorant animal you are.

Which makes you
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« Reply #94 on: July 25, 2008, 01:22:51 AM »

Lol I suppose it does mdma.
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« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2008, 01:30:43 AM »

Fred you pointed interesting thing. You see those sneaky Arabs made me, an Israeli to believe that they have right of return. So what about all Lebanese who fled to Europe because their country suck ass? What about all those Israelis who fled to US or Europe because Arabs made Israel suck ass?
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What about the Native Americans who were forced onto reservations in the USA? Do they deserve right of return?

What about the white's in South America who fear repression and so they leave, do they deserve right of return as well?

The thing that's funny though is, i've talked to people in the Israeli govt, they don't see a problem with right of return to the west bank/gaza strip. It's Palestinians coming into actual Israel that they don't agree with. Furthermore, they are open to sharing Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state and swapping land with the Palestinians so that they have continuous borders.

Now unfortunately, I haven't been able to talk to Palestinians in the govt about their thoughts on this and what would be wrong with such a compromise. Any thoughts on what may be stopping Palestinians from making such a deal? Other than radicals constantly disrupting the peace process of course.
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« Reply #96 on: July 25, 2008, 08:00:16 AM »

Abraxas
Confronting Iran on their nuclear program is a good idea.

But confrontation over Iran on the nuclear issue isn't.

Let's be clear of the distinction.

Israel is shooting for confrontation and so was the US... until recently.

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It would be a bad idea for Israel to let Iran get nukes.

In all seriousness, why?

Pakistan, India and Israel all have nukes and are embroiled in a conflict as deep as the one Iran is in and all of these countries have, at one time or another, had leaders that used rhetoric to scare opponents, much like Ahmadinejad.

Why would a nuclear Iran suddenly tip the scales?

What contribution to this conflict will Iran give that may escelate to WWIII?

Why is it assumed that Iran will be the ones to actually use a nuclear weapon?

Where is the concern for Israel's nuclear weapons? Or does everyone still want to pretend they don't have them?



Why is Israel's constant and incessent use of force and "ratcheting up" of tension ignored or excused by the international community? Why is it they can make military contracts and purchase weapons systems with the express purpose of over-coming Iranian defences and not be called out on it?

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Of course that an attack on Iran by Israel will put all of us in deep doodoo. That's why there are discussion at the highest level with the world's powers.

You mean the US?

"American commanders worry that Israel will feel compelled to act within the next 12 months with no guarantee that they can do more than slow Iran's development of a weapon capable of destroying the Jewish state.

Gaps in the intelligence on the precise location and vulnerabilities of Iran's facilities emerged during recent talks between Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the American Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Israeli generals, according to an official familiar with the discussions who has briefed Iran experts in Washington and London."


But at the same time...

"Former defence and intelligence officers who advise the Pentagon have disclosed that the US military is looking into possible outcomes for military attacks featuring varying levels of American involvement.

The ex-CIA officer told The Sunday Telegraph that the planned attacks ranged from a full-blown assault on 2,000 targets inside Iran to logistics and intelligence support for Israel, if the Jewish state decided to go it alone."


Yeah, I feel safer already Roll Eyes .

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About colonialism: We didn't try to colonize Germany but Germany tried to colonize us. And we weren't black. No, the good white helping the good black, was a conceptdeveloped  during the colony time. Black's land was not defended by any modern army. It was there to be taken, and we took it. That there were white or black made no difference.

Well, that's entering the intresting debate over the differences between "war" (an invention of the white man) or "colonization".

... but this isn't the place.
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« Reply #97 on: July 25, 2008, 08:59:21 AM »

Slow down cowboy! Indians never enjoyed Pakistani nuclear weapons simply because it allows Muslim radicals within Pakistan freely and unstoppable by government to blow off Indus. Same thing gonna happen with Iranian agent from Hezbollah and Hamas to blow off Israeli while Israelis won't be able to respond towards Lebanon or Palestine simply because those have nuclear weapons.

Good thing you never lived around cold war so you don't know how ppl in Soviet Union or Us felt like, so multiply it by knowledge that terrorists units within country with nuclear weapons can posses a nuclear weapon. Its like Chechens would overtake nuclear facility during cold war crisis. Stop being smart ass, ask any Indus what he/she feels towards Pakistan.

+ Israel doesn't posses a nuclear weapons, unless of course you believe Elvis was an alien or John Lennon got killed because of his views by FBI.
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« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2008, 09:20:03 AM »

Slow down cowboy! Indians never enjoyed Pakistani nuclear weapons simply because it allows Muslim radicals within Pakistan freely and unstoppable by government to blow off Indus. Same thing gonna happen with Iranian agent from Hezbollah and Hamas to blow off Israeli while Israelis won't be able to respond towards Lebanon or Palestine simply because those have nuclear weapons.

Good thing you never lived around cold war so you don't know how ppl in Soviet Union or Us felt like, so multiply it by knowledge that terrorists units within country with nuclear weapons can posses a nuclear weapon. Its like Chechens would overtake nuclear facility during cold war crisis. Stop being smart ass, ask any Indus what he/she feels towards Pakistan.

+ Israel doesn't posses a nuclear weapons, unless of course you believe Elvis was an alien or John Lennon got killed because of his views by FBI.



Hold on here md! Israel not only has a Nuke, but hundreds of them. They have some in South Africa as well.  Wink
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« Reply #99 on: July 25, 2008, 09:21:45 AM »

Slow down cowboy! Indians never enjoyed Pakistani nuclear weapons simply because it allows Muslim radicals within Pakistan freely and unstoppable by government to blow off Indus. Same thing gonna happen with Iranian agent from Hezbollah and Hamas to blow off Israeli while Israelis won't be able to respond towards Lebanon or Palestine simply because those have nuclear weapons.

Good thing you never lived around cold war so you don't know how ppl in Soviet Union or Us felt like, so multiply it by knowledge that terrorists units within country with nuclear weapons can posses a nuclear weapon. Its like Chechens would overtake nuclear facility during cold war crisis. Stop being smart ass, ask any Indus what he/she feels towards Pakistan.

I'm not talking about Palestinians with nuclear weapons. I'm talking about Iran.

Pakistan hasn't given nukes to the Taliban... so why will Iran give them to Hezbollah?

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+ Israel doesn't posses a nuclear weapons...

Oh my God... you're joking, right?!?!

Please... tell me you're joking!!!!

"Iran openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when you are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"
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I've spoken with Israeli Jews in America that KNOW where they are. Every Isreali knows where they are. There are vents in the damn sand.

Don't make the mistake I'm stupid, mdma, or that the rest of the world is too. The fact that Israel has nukes is the worst kept secret in the Middle East.
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« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2008, 10:23:41 AM »

You are talking about Palestinians and Lebanese to have nuclear friend that will threaten Israeli ability to respond to terrorists from Palestine. Russia posses nuclear technology and helped it's allies to built nuclear technology inside their countries same as US. Which causes Pakistani-Indian cold war. It's far from Taliban thing, NO. You know nothing about Pakistani-Indian conflict. Other Pakistanis kill Indus. Not Al-Queda you think all terrorism is about.

Israeli PM's words were taken out of context. What Olmert was saying is that Israel is a civilized country that can aspire to have nuclear weapons unlike Iran that aspires but also having enough balls to threaten nation's existence.

You are passed any possible limit of stupidity. This ain't stupid anymore. Vents in the damn sand,,, hahah hilarious. You should stick along with Terry you both seem to have same intellectual abilities, Butters.


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« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2008, 10:42:22 AM »

You are talking about Palestinians and Lebanese to have nuclear friend that will threaten Israeli ability to respond to terrorists from Palestine. Russia posses nuclear technology and helped it's allies to built nuclear technology inside their countries same as US. Which causes Pakistani-Indian cold war. It's far from Taliban thing, NO. You know nothing about Pakistani-Indian conflict. Other Pakistanis kill Indus. Not Al-Queda you think all terrorism is about.

Israeli PM's words were taken out of context. What Olmert was saying is that Israel is a civilized country that can aspire to have nuclear weapons unlike Iran that aspires but also having enough balls to threaten nation's existence.

You are passed any possible limit of stupidity. This ain't stupid anymore. Vents in the damn sand,,, hahah hilarious. You should stick along with Terry you both seem to have same intellectual abilities, Butters.






Any more 'words' of wisdom, oh wise one?    Roll Eyes
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« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2008, 12:00:04 AM »

You know, I really don't see where you get off being such a grade A female dog Cedar. Name one thing I have said that compares to anything as disgusting as the blind, ignorant animal you are.

I will be happy to explain. For two years, I talked to you with respect, then I decided to stoop to your level. You needed a language you could understand.

Now I wish you would keep your word and start ignoring my posts because I don't want to keep coming back.
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« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2008, 12:34:06 AM »

You know, I really don't see where you get off being such a grade A female dog Cedar. Name one thing I have said that compares to anything as disgusting as the blind, ignorant animal you are.

I will be happy to explain. For two years, I talked to you with respect, then I decided to stoop to your level. You needed a language you could understand.

Now I wish you would keep your word and start ignoring my posts because I don't want to keep coming back.


And that is supposed to bother us how?
... you flatter yourself dahling, but not too many others are taken in by your charades.
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« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2008, 12:42:01 AM »

Terry, how about doing a ******* off charade?




I'll only let you go so far MD, and this one was too far

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