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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2007, 09:09:04 AM » |
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I remember in college one of my favorite classes was with a liberal professor,,(civics class i think it was) ,when I say liberal I mean he made JPN look like a right wing bible thumper.
He actually believed that we needed to give massive amounts of money to inner city dwellers so that they would not come to the suburbs to rob us all at gun point.
We got into some flat out ARGUEMENTS in class several times. There where many comments made by both of us that made the other students wince.
We where talking about the kinder gentler attitude and I told him "If you want to raise your kids to be kinder and gentler and non competitive that was fine, but dont'tet upset when your kids are asking mine asking mine if they want frries with thier order" I told him I had knw what to call kinder gentler people, they are called victims.
After the course was over (which I got a high B in) he pulled me to the side and said it had been on of his more enoyable classes in a long time.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2007, 01:58:23 PM » |
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There's a professor at my school who will seek out students who he already knows, and are going to be in his lower level courses. He gives them old cell phones before the first class meeting and has them pull them out and begin talking during the first lecture. He'll then go and ask to see the phone, and then smash it on the back wall.
He really knows how to engage the students.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2007, 02:14:34 PM » |
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That's awesome.
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2007, 10:21:29 PM » |
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my wife would be the one to talk too -- but she gives them an immediate consequence, and if it continues, another immediate consequence...eventually they give up (these are jr. high kids though). At the college level I don't know if "go to the office" has the same ring to it.
Perhaps a face-to-face after class with one of the trouble-makers would do the job. She would also say that respect is a two-way avenue...if you give, and don't get, then kick 'em out of class.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2007, 10:52:25 PM » |
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There's a professor at my school who will seek out students who he already knows, and are going to be in his lower level courses. He gives them old cell phones before the first class meeting and has them pull them out and begin talking during the first lecture. He'll then go and ask to see the phone, and then smash it on the back wall.
He really knows how to engage the students.
That's pretty sweet.... But what if I told you I hate a communist economics teacher wig out, grab a student's things, and throw them all at the wall (not a set up)? It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. He was sooooo serious and pissed off. But I had to laugh. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2007, 10:54:24 PM » |
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that is a good one....
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2007, 07:50:24 AM » |
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There's a professor at my school who will seek out students who he already knows, and are going to be in his lower level courses. He gives them old cell phones before the first class meeting and has them pull them out and begin talking during the first lecture. He'll then go and ask to see the phone, and then smash it on the back wall.
He really knows how to engage the students.
That's pretty sweet.... But what if I told you I hate a communist economics teacher wig out, grab a student's things, and throw them all at the wall (not a set up)? It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. He was sooooo serious and pissed off. But I had to laugh. I don't know if I could help laughing at that one either. That's wild though, the cell smasher is also an econ teacher. Definitely not communist, but pretty liberal. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2007, 09:40:26 AM » |
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So basically you just want to scare the **** out of kids. Maybe you should have been a drill sargeant.  |
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2007, 07:09:07 AM » |
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fear is one thing, respect is another.
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2007, 11:46:38 AM » |
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Its remedial PRE-algebra. Aclass that any even moderatly serious student should have taken in his first years of junior high school.
I would say ask the few students who bother to act like adults, like the 4 who DID NOT get up and leave to sit upfront then tell the rest that if they don't want to bother, they can leave now and take thier fail grade rather than wait until then end.
More than liekly the class is filled with kids who should NOT be in college anyway. They are there becuase thier parents pushed them into being there and they should better be placed in a tradeskill then an acedemic pursuit.
I concur. Illy, your problem seems to be that you are teaching highschool layovers in a university setting. Highschool discipline was easy - detention, violence or jug. At university I favor the presumption that the student is the consumer and harms no one by not paying attention or skipping class. That liberty should not extend to disruption. I'd liberally oust anyone making the lesson harder or speaking during a test. |
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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2007, 07:11:41 PM » |
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Its remedial PRE-algebra. Aclass that any even moderatly serious student should have taken in his first years of junior high school.
I would say ask the few students who bother to act like adults, like the 4 who DID NOT get up and leave to sit upfront then tell the rest that if they don't want to bother, they can leave now and take thier fail grade rather than wait until then end.
More than liekly the class is filled with kids who should NOT be in college anyway. They are there becuase thier parents pushed them into being there and they should better be placed in a tradeskill then an acedemic pursuit.
I concur. Illy, your problem seems to be that you are teaching highschool layovers in a university setting. Highschool discipline was easy - detention, violence or jug. At university I favor the presumption that the student is the consumer and harms no one by not paying attention or skipping class. That liberty should not extend to disruption. I'd liberally oust anyone making the lesson harder or speaking during a test. You summed up the problem pretty well. I favor the assumption that the student is the consumer as well. I've come to a point where I've stopped caring about who comes to class and who doesn't. A good picture of who is and isn't going to be able to pass the final is coming into my view. Ironically, the ones in the back who were being loud are some of the farthest ahead and have the highest test scores. As far as people leaving early, it's much worse than not showing up, because it is a disruption. The attendance policy was set by the program supervisors, if I take too lax a stance on it, I'm not performing my job like I agreed to. One of the program goals is a high attendance rate, and I did take the job. If they don't show up, I'm not going to be too upset about it though. I actually haven't had a problem with anyone disrupting the class since my response the first day it started. Many of them seem to have realized that they're going to have to repeat the class if they don't put more effort in. fear is one thing, respect is another.
At the end of the day it makes no difference to me why it is they shut up in the back when I'm teaching, as long as they do. While I agree with you in principle, teaching some of them respect is a much bigger job than I ever signed up for. In a few cases, I do think it would require a certain amount of fear to do the job. |
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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2007, 07:29:52 PM » |
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fear is one thing, respect is another.
I would say fear is more powerful than respect. Of course, maybe you're going for an integrity prespective? |
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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2007, 04:38:08 AM » |
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fear is one thing, respect is another.
I would say fear is more powerful than respect. Of course, maybe you're going for an integrity prespective? Not exactly. People are far more willing to do what you tell them to when they respect you rather than if they fear you. Even if you put a gun to their head, their initial reaction internally is fight or flight, not to follow directions. |
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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2007, 01:04:05 PM » |
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fear is one thing, respect is another.
I would say fear is more powerful than respect. Of course, maybe you're going for an integrity prespective? Not exactly. People are far more willing to do what you tell them to when they respect you rather than if they fear you. Even if you put a gun to their head, their initial reaction internally is fight or flight, not to follow directions. Look at all powerful dictators. They rule through fear, not respect. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2007, 02:46:25 PM » |
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fear is one thing, respect is another.
I would say fear is more powerful than respect. Of course, maybe you're going for an integrity prespective? Not exactly. People are far more willing to do what you tell them to when they respect you rather than if they fear you. Even if you put a gun to their head, their initial reaction internally is fight or flight, not to follow directions. Look at all powerful dictators. They rule through fear, not respect. Actually I think it's respect through fear. As in, they are respected for their cruelty and power. |
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