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Author Topic: Then End of Free Trade: And those who depend on it  (Read 921 times)
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« on: July 30, 2008, 01:28:46 PM »

Since the U.S. and its developed* country counterparts do not wish to diminish their billion dollar a day farming subsidies that hurt developing world farmers, any hopes of free trade that the developing world needs is history, and so is our hopes of free trade.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/business/worldbusiness/30trade.html?ref=world

*I wrote developing instead which obviously makes the statement awkward. 
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2008, 07:58:13 PM »

but..but...but...I thought the WTO was a vast conspiracy set to take over the world and nothing could stop it? It turns out it was just a whole lotta talks after all?



color me surprised. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2008, 08:12:28 PM »

but..but...but...I thought the WTO was a vast conspiracy set to take over the world and nothing could stop it? It turns out it was just a whole lotta talks after all?



color me surprised. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 01:59:30 PM »

What is more desirable for producers in developing countries: Free access to European and North American markets or protection from foreign competition?

When the United States was industrializing, national businesses benefited from state protectionism. Now they wish to deny market protections to developing nations. As China, India, and other nations develop their economies and gain greater confidence, they realize the threat that free trade represents, and do not intend to end the trade barriers that their domestic markets depend on.

Of course China and India were initially able to progress because of free trade, as it enabled them to attract foreign investment, however to maintain their wealth this cannot continue. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 07:57:31 PM »

Since the U.S. and its developed* country counterparts do not wish to diminish their billion dollar a day farming subsidies that hurt developing world farmers, any hopes of free trade that the developing world needs is history, and so is our hopes of free trade.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/business/worldbusiness/30trade.html?ref=world

*I wrote developing instead which obviously makes the statement awkward. 


FREE TRADE IS NOT FAIR TRADE!!!!!! AHHH!!!

FREE TRADE WILL NOT ALLEVIATE POVERTY in developing countries; it will only hinder.  Correct me if I'm wrong, (seriously), free trade is the eliminating of tariffs and trade barriers yes?  So, the reasoning behind free trade is the idea that it will create a comparative advantage for those producers that are able to provide at lowest cost?  Wouldn't that just drive a further wedge between the rich and poor?  Wouldn't the small farmers of Nigeria be better off, if they didn't have to compete with outside competition from the developing countries?  The small farmer is more vulnerable to market price no?  Thus not weeping the advantages of free-trade as a developed country would.  right?  Free trade would only lead to further exploitation.

Look into "fair trade," which is a movement focused on creating security and economic self-sufficiency, for those in developing countries.  (which on a side note is much like a subsidy). *ironic*


Fair trade are what your precious ngo's are striving to achieve.  I personally don't believe in ngo's they are very limited in their efficiencies and abilities!!  I am all about the shared corporation between International Governmental Organizations such as the UN, EU, WTO, and NGO's such as OxFam. 



 

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think of it this way: if something is worth doing, it is only worth doing well.  This failure, will only lead to a different road toward success. 

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 01:36:03 PM »

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Wouldn't the small farmers of Nigeria be better off, if they didn't have to compete with outside competition from the developing countries?  The small farmer is more vulnerable to market price no?
Yes, small foreign producers are more vulnerable, which is why free trade must be opposed.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 08:54:23 PM »

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Wouldn't the small farmers of Nigeria be better off, if they didn't have to compete with outside competition from the developing countries?  The small farmer is more vulnerable to market price no?
Yes, small foreign producers are more vulnerable, which is why free trade must be opposed.

YES!  I am not crazy!  Free trade parallels the idea of free markets, which we all know cannot exist.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2008, 07:52:32 AM »

YES!  I am not crazy!  Free trade parallels the idea of free markets, which we all know cannot exist.
Free markets can exist, but perfect markets cannot. Economic freedom will always produce monopolies and concentrated corporate power.
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 09:21:26 AM »

Yes. I agree with Gommi. The free in free trade means free-for-all not fair.
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