"According to Lebanese Army figures, 1660 airspace, water and land violations have taken place between May and the beginning of July 2008 what means that thousands of Israeli soldiers and officers had entered Lebanese territories to set targets and continue the psychological war against Lebanon."

Thank you for giving us the right to attack Israel any time we want because of their continuous "illegal unprovoked acts of war"

I am sure you will be on Lebanon's side if we do attack.

You can either look at the conflict from international law, OR you can look at it for what it actually is.



You don't say!!!!!!

I didn't know that the conflict started with Hizbullah in 1982 and will end with it. Thank you for furthering my knowledge. So I am to assume that the problems with the Israelis prior to the existence of Hizbullah were because Israel "anticipated" the birth of Hizbullah as it seems that everything revolves around it?

I can't wait for your next post. Could it be about Alice in Wonderland?

It is pretty obvious you have no counter argument.  So far, all you've done is call me bloodthirsty, brainwashed, and ignorant.  You've done nothing to argue against the fact that Israel was the losing party in this deal (which was the original point of the thread).  Not once have you even attempted to argue this.  Instead, you seized on a single comment by me that you feel is evidence of my wickedness and desire to see blood spilled.  You think that because I live here in America that I can't possibly understand what it is like to lose someone in war or deal with the loss of a loved one. 

It has nothing to do with the topic.  All you had to do was come up with a single rational argument, but you haven't. 

You've given me links about how awful Israel's criminal justice system is when the child killer your people seem to love actually received a college degree while in Israeli prison.  At least Israel kept the scumbag alive - more than anyone can say for the two lifeless bodies Hezbollah returned.

And then comes the bleeding heart, "he isn't a child killer" bullshit.  I very much doubt that the man's word is gold, but assuming he didn't kill the girl (very unlikely) and she did die in the crossfire, it doesn't make him a hero.  If I rob a bank, and I get in a shootout with cops and people die as a result - I'm going to prison for life.  He chose to kidnap the family, every death is entirely on him and his terrorist buddies.

And if that weren't enough, the man wants to keep fighting Israel.  He doesn't see this as vindication or a second chance to be more than a killer - nope, he wants to go right back to it.  He didn't make a plea for peace, or a grand speech about how common ground could be reached, or how terrorism was the wrong way to fight or anything even close to being conciliatory.  No, as Lebanese people have suffered for continuing to fight with Israel, genius here wants you to keep suffering by picking up where he left off - fighting with Israel and getting more people killed.

But let's get it from the horse's mouth, so-to-speak:


So while the murderer's word may be good enough for you (that he didn't kill children), they are not good enough for me.  Once someone crosses the line into kidnapping and murder, I'd say their credibility is pretty much shot.

And then the killer has the audacity to bring up Ma'alot where his ilk decided that it was well-advised to take hostage a bunch of high-school students?

Here is the link:

http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1819.htm

These are not the words of a hero, nor are they the actions of one.  The fact that he is held in such high esteem speaks volumes about why things in Lebanon are not going so well.  This is the poison that plagues your country, not Israel. 


Not surprising that you decided against posting it.  I'm well aware that Israel's justice system is imperfect and injustice will inevitibly take place.  But this does nothing to discount any of my arguments.  It is anecdotal at best.  You keep talking about "this case" and "this instance" and yet rely on unrelated cases to "prove" your claim that the Israeli justice system is out to get innocent people.  It is another case of missing the forest for the trees. 


And what of it?  Am I to assume that the IDF is the root of all problems here?  They didn't invite Kuntar and friends over to kidnap Israelis.  They didn't ask him to, upon his release, vow to continue a bloody struggle that will only result in more death. 

More and more it becoming clear to me.  While Israel is far from being right, Hezbollah and the Lebanese people are doing far more damage to themselves by nurturing this societal desire for "resistance" and the oh-so-comforting myth of being perpetual victims.


Depends completely on the context.  I tend to trust the American justice system far more than any other on Earth.  There are so many rules and regulations and protocols in place to protect the defendent that in most cases, I would say an American has no business being tried anywhere else.  But to your point, if an Israeli were ever allowed to make it to court in Lebanon, I would certainly be interested in following the case.  It won't happen, because the poor soul would be turned over to Hezbollah and have no chance of representitive of competent council.

And indeed just as you have anecdotal evidence to support the assertion that an "enemy" court could never be impartial, I can find anecdotal evidence that it can as in the trial of British soldiers for murder in the "Boston Massacre" of 1770.  John Adams, a patriot to the very core defended those British soldiers and was able to get all but two acquitted.  The two that were found guilty were spared harsh punishment as Adams was able to argue that because of the mob and the perceived threat, the Brits could be found guilty of nothing more than manslaughter.  The court agreed, and a fine piece of anecdotal evidence was preserved for posterity - it is possible to get a fair trial even when passions are inflamed and the "enemy" judicial system is responsible for deciding your guilt or innocence.


But you've already made up your mind to my objectivity (of which you believe I lack) which by definition makes you subjective and thus it is impossible for me to convince you otherwise.