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Author Topic: WOOHOO- Communism! Obama's 'emergency' economic plan  (Read 391 times)
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« on: August 01, 2008, 07:53:45 AM »

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12237.html

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Friday announced an “Emergency Economic Plan” that would give families a stimulus check of $1,000 each, funded in part by what his presidential campaign calls “windfall profits from Big Oil.”

Details are in this six-page policy paper.

The first part of Obama’s plan is an emergency energy rebate ($500 to individual workers, $1,000 to families) as soon as this fall.

“This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months,” Obama said. “Or, if you live in a state where it gets very cold in the winter, it will be enough to cover the entire increase in your heating bills. Or you could use the rebate for any of your other bills or even to pay down debt

Separately, Obama’s plan includes a $50 billion stimulus package that his campaign claims would save more than 1 million jobs.

Obama announced his plan 27 minutes after a Labor Department report showed unemployment hit a four-year high of 5.7 percent in July — the highest rate since March 2004, when it was 5.8 percent.

“We need to do more,” Obama said in a statement. “That’s why today I’m announcing a two-part emergency plan to help struggling families make ends meet and get our economy back on track.

McCain reacted to the surprisingly dour jobs report with a two-paragraph statement: "Across this country, Americans are hurting and today's job numbers are just the latest reminder of the economic challenges we face. ... Unlike Sen. Obama, I do not believe that raising taxes is the answer to our economic problems. There is no surer way to force jobs overseas than to raise taxes on businesses.”

Obama announced his plan for a windfall profits tax on oil companies on June 9 in Raleigh, N.C., as he launched a two-week economic tour after clinching the Democratic nomination.

Friday’s proposal says Obama “is proposing to offset the cost of his emergency energy rebates over the next five years by enacting a windfall profits tax on big oil companies.”   To which the oil companies have not sattes but will most likely raise prices and cust costs by firing people to cover and theft by the thieves in washington.

“Obama simply asks that big oil companies contribute a reasonable share of the windfall profits they receive from high oil prices over the next five years to pay for emergency assistance for families right now,” the campaign says. (Obama forgets to mention that the federal sand state taxes take in up to 5 times the profit the oil companies make on each gallon of gas sold.) If you remove the burdan on the american people in the form of FEDERAL and STATE taxes gas would be 40-50 cents cheaper a gallon!)

 
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 08:27:04 AM »

WTF does this have to do with Communism?

WTF is your problem with taxes for oil companies?

WTF are you doing still posting articles without any degree of personal opinion?

WTF are you still doing at IAP?
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 08:42:04 AM »

WTF does this have to do with Communism?

WTF is your problem with taxes for oil companies?

WTF are you doing still posting articles without any degree of personal opinion?

WTF are you still doing at IAP?

That's just funny stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 08:51:19 AM »

WTF does this have to do with Communism?

WTF is your problem with taxes for oil companies?

WTF are you doing still posting articles without any degree of personal opinion?

WTF are you still doing at IAP?

WTF dont you understand about the government collecting enough taxes.

WTF dont you undertsand about communism being taking from those taht suceed and earn to give to those that dont.

WTF are you not paying attention to that you cant see my comments in bold and italics.

WTF are you still doing at IAP?
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2008, 08:59:21 AM »

 Abraxas...Keep in mind what we are dealing with;
 
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2008, 09:10:37 AM »

WTF dont you understand about the government collecting enough taxes.

Reaganite, you either seriously misunderstand Communism or you seriously misunderstand Obama's plan.

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WTF dont you undertsand about communism being taking from those taht suceed and earn to give to those that dont.

I asked about your feelings toward taxes on oil companies because I honestly don't know what you think about them. Your post made no attempt to explain your position, so are you really that surprised I didn't know what you think about the issue?

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WTF are you not paying attention to that you cant see my comments in bold and italics.

Oh, the 3 poorly written sentances that virtually look like they were part of the article? Excuse me for not noticing them Roll Eyes .

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WTF are you still doing at IAP?

Well, to start off... I'm a responsible and mature member... which is more then I can say for you.
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2008, 09:43:22 AM »

You are not mature in any sense of the word as your first post in this thread was a personal attack on another member.

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I asked about your feelings toward taxes on oil companies because I honestly don't know what you think about them. Your post made no attempt to explain your position, so are you really that surprised I didn't know what you think about the issue?
We all every companya nd person in this country pay enough if not too much taxes.

the government has ENOUGH of our money... they dont need any more.
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2008, 10:48:58 AM »

You are not mature in any sense of the word as your first post in this thread was a personal attack on another member.

I'm not gonna go into it with you about this.

I'll let the other members decide.

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We all every companya nd person in this country pay enough if not too much taxes.

the government has ENOUGH of our money... they dont need any more.

That reminds me. I use proper grammer and punctuation too...

But anyway... low income families are having trouble keeping up with the cost of gas, and seeing as this country has an inefficient public transportation system, how do you recommend we help them?

And what I find hilarious is that you'll assail Obama for using money we have (or will have) but then defend Bush for borrowing money from China, no doubt our next economic adversary.

Obama's plan has a short term impact on the massive profits that oil companies CONTINUOUSLY walk away with... and the other creates long term debt that my generation and I will have to pay off in a few decades.

I'm far more comfortable with Obama's plan then Bush's...
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2008, 11:13:54 AM »

You are not mature in any sense of the word as your first post in this thread was a personal attack on another member.

I'm not gonna go into it with you about this.

I'll let the other members decide.

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We all every companya nd person in this country pay enough if not too much taxes.

the government has ENOUGH of our money... they dont need any more.

That reminds me. I use proper grammer and punctuation too...

But anyway... low income families are having trouble keeping up with the cost of gas, and seeing as this country has an inefficient public transportation system, how do you recommend we help them?

And what I find hilarious is that you'll assail Obama for using money we have (or will have) but then defend Bush for borrowing money from China, no doubt our next economic adversary.

Obama's plan has a short term impact on the massive profits that oil companies CONTINUOUSLY walk away with... and the other creates long term debt that my generation and I will have to pay off in a few decades.

I'm far more comfortable with Obama's plan then Bush's...

yes you can take time to check grammer and spelling, but sorry I try to tyep fast as I work.  Anyway, I HATE ALL POLITICIANS THAT SPEND MORE THEN TEHY TAKE IN...  REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS...

One of my MAJOR issues with bush is runaway spending...

For someone that thinks they know me you are pretty assinine to not remember that big issue.

Anyway, spelling and grammer and insulting others when they have not insulted you is not a sign of maturity.  Its may be the sign of a 18-19 year old who has time on his hand and thinks they know more then they actually do...

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2008, 01:46:12 PM »

 AWWWWWW Brax you hurt Bonzo's feelings...
 
 The big bad government shouldn't take munnie away from the pooor liddle ole oil companies... it should give the pooor lidddle ole oil companies tax breaks...and let those damn irresponsibile common folk freeze in the dark.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2008, 02:03:51 PM »

WTF does this have to do with Communism?

WTF is your problem with taxes for oil companies?

WTF are you doing still posting articles without any degree of personal opinion?

WTF are you still doing at IAP?

WTF dont you understand about the government collecting enough taxes.

WTF dont you undertsand about communism being taking from those taht suceed and earn to give to those that dont.

WTF are you not paying attention to that you cant see my comments in bold and italics.

WTF are you still doing at IAP?

You are a troll and he is not.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2008, 02:54:08 PM »

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Yes, you've established this. So what do you propose to alleviate America's financial difficulties? People depend on government support, one example of this being, as Abraxas stated, the use of public transportation in the midst of the oil crisis. Obama's plan offers a means of acquiring the funds through taxes, which would be a responsible initiative.
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 03:37:01 PM »

so why not tax at 100% and distribute all weath? why cap it at 35%?
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 05:22:01 PM »


WTF dont you undertsand about communism being taking from those taht suceed and earn to give to those that dont.


Thats not communism, that is a government policy with a socialistic streak. Big difference.

The welfare system that our governments have where they take money from people who succeed(taxation on income) and redistribute to people who don't earn money(welfare recipients) fits your criteria as well .

This isn't communism, it is a part of a mixed economy, part capitalism and part socialism.

IMO the thread title has nothing to do with the article, but maybe that is just me.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2008, 05:26:09 PM »

so why not tax at 100% and distribute all weath? why cap it at 35%?

Because 100% would equal communism, wheras 35% is a mixed economy(part capitalism,part socialism).

There is a big difference between 35% tax and 100% tax.  Smiley
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