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Author Topic: here we go again... I AM BLACK!! they will attack me...  (Read 375 times)
Irwin
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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2008, 01:17:43 PM »

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The only race baiting I see is from Republican nut-jobs. How was I wrong?

If the only 'race baiting' YOU see if from 'Republican nut-jobs', then you are blind, deaf and dumb. Perhaps that's the case instead of being a straight up liar. Only you know.

Or a short memory?

Here is my statement: The only race baiting I see is from Republican nut-jobs.

What is race-baiting?

It is to consciously disseminate information with the intent of dividing races, usually for political gain.

Let us look at the case of Jesse Jackson. He whispered something on a hot mike that he didn't know was going public. The thing he said did not divide races but was divisive within the same race. It was not for political gain because he had not intended it to be heard and it's effect would not have stripped white votes from a black candidite but black votes from a black candidate. Since he did not intend it to be public, it could not by definition be "bait".

Joseph Biden. I notice you didn't mention that his gaffe concerned people from India. Here's what he said: "in Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 (a chain store) or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking." This comment does not fit into the subject of this thread, race baiting to gain votes in this election.

Here is what Obama said, "you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills." This can in no way be construed as a statement to strip black votes from McCain. Said votes are already locked up for him. Nor can it be construed as an attempt to strip white votes from McCain. It is in fact a loss leader to Republican whites. It is a warning against future Republican race-baiting which has been demonstrated already by a particular incident which follows:

There was a rumor spread wildly by Republicans, including the very poster of this thread that fully qualifies as race baiting. It was the lie of a tape that had Michell Obama railing against "whitey." It was disseminated with the express purpose of scaring off white voters from a black president. You will witness from the very post in question that it is hard to regard the poster or anyone of his ilk as anything but a "nutjob."

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,26/topic,2325.0/

The most beautiful hilarious response would be this, from bringbackwigs:

Stop clicking this:

I say again: The only race baiting I see is from Republican nut-jobs.
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2008, 01:39:56 PM »

He didn't say now. He said, "What they're going to try to do..." Future, not present tense.

So no one has actually attacked him over his race, then? Ok.

So he's predicting he'll be attacked later on in the south... but he doesn't actually know or have proof?

So he's just talking out his ass?

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It is almost certain racist ads will be run in the South. Do you think getting people to believe he was a muslim would have worked if he was white? How about the supposed tape with Michelle saying "whitey." Don't think that lie was a racist attempt to scare white people? I personally believe theReps have been doing so much screeching about this because they are frustrated that they can't attack him because he is black.

Then Obama needs to call them out on THOSE specific examples not criticise them for what he's predicting - otherwise, it just looks like he's playing the race card.

Do I think they'll attack him cause he's black, supposedly Muslim, unpatriotic and that his wife hates America? Of course I do. A lot of that has already happened... but you bring up those specific examples, stop speaking in generalities and take the fight straight to the people that started them.

He's bungled his defense since the beginning. The fact that "being Muslim" was used to incriminate the man is disgusting... but he was too busy showing he wasn't to make the broader point that it doesn't even F*ING matter.

The point I'm trying to make is you can't go around saying, "they're gonna do this" when you have no proof that they have or will. But when they DO, call them out on it and expose your opponents for what they are.

Untill then, however, don't play the race card.

I don't want a house to house fight on this. So, I am going to address your point directly: "The point I'm trying to make is you can't go around saying, "they're gonna do this" when you have no proof that they have or will. But when they DO, call them out on it and expose your opponents for what they are."

With all due respect, you most certainly can warn against actions that, given history, are likely and have happened in the case of the lie about Michelle and "whitey." It happened in the case of Harold Ford. It happened the case of McCain's "black baby." I see no reason at all to decide it won't happen again and only respond when it does. I don't see the necessity of citing specific cases, which would only bring more attention one point, which was only a fractional part of the larger point he was making. It is as perfectly legitimate to warn people not to believe any future lies and rumors and cases of race baiting, as it is about his name, as it is about his patriotism. There is no reason to belabor one issue, race, by citing examples, while not having to cite examples of attacks on his patriotism and his name.
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2008, 06:59:10 AM »

Looks like Obama's only mistake was saying they WILL attack him "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Um, yeah, they already did.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTJDv4hevU

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/04/mccain-campaign-did-mock-obama-on-dollar-bill/
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