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« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2008, 11:00:29 AM » |
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While this long thread has a variety of possible solutions to a number of problems, I'm sure because of Patton's interest in his profession, he tends to regularly turn topic toward universal health care, a topic he never fails to argue against. But, like me, I suspect he bears little personal cost for his. Just noting this factor as I quickly "drive by" on a busy Saturday.
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« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2008, 12:01:59 PM » |
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While this long thread has a variety of possible solutions to a number of problems, I'm sure because of Patton's interest in his profession, he tends to regularly turn topic toward universal health care, a topic he never fails to argue against. But, like me, I suspect he bears little personal cost for his. Just noting this factor as I quickly "drive by" on a busy Saturday. Cass, yes, Patton knows which side his bread is buttered on. I am all for universal health care IF we can vote on a apportioned tax to take care of payment, and, the government is not allowed to siphon off funds for other things. Also, the way that it works now is those in the medical field take advantage of the system by charging the maximum they possibly can when paid by the government for services. This has to end because the new system will surely flounder in a sea of over charges if those in the medical field are not kept in check. A system of universal health care will be a very difficult job to manage because of greed and exploitation. I'm afraid we have a very tough job ahead of us. |
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« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2008, 03:21:47 PM » |
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My future is secured.....do with healthcare want you want....I'm sure I'm the only one here who actually works it.
You cannot build your fancy engine without the nuts and bolts....take away monetary gain from choosing the profession, and watch the nuts and bolts walk into other professions....then you can build it with foreign parts.
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« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2008, 03:41:26 PM » |
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While this long thread has a variety of possible solutions to a number of problems, I'm sure because of Patton's interest in his profession, he tends to regularly turn topic toward universal health care, a topic he never fails to argue against. But, like me, I suspect he bears little personal cost for his. Just noting this factor as I quickly "drive by" on a busy Saturday. Cass, yes, Patton knows which side his bread is buttered on. I am all for universal health care IF we can vote on a apportioned tax to take care of payment, and, the government is not allowed to siphon off funds for other things. Also, the way that it works now is those in the medical field take advantage of the system by charging the maximum they possibly can when paid by the government for services. This has to end because the new system will surely flounder in a sea of over charges if those in the medical field are not kept in check. A system of universal health care will be a very difficult job to manage because of greed and exploitation. I'm afraid we have a very tough job ahead of us. Do you really think anything on your wish list will happen. US politicians are more corrupt than any other nation. You cannot trust any of them to do the right thing. But it frightens me that Democrats are so gullable and quick to believe and not think for yourselves. So for your plan: the government is not allowed to siphon off funds for other things, medical field take advantage of the system by charging the maximum they possibly can when paid by the government for services. This has to end. Good luck with that. I think this best describes the current US judicial, executive and legislative branches: Republican strategist Alex Castellanos said Friday that Edwards' infidelity may affect both parties' images. "The questions are going to be asked, does this hurt Republicans or Democrats, or the political impact. And the truth is that it's going to hurt everybody, because right now, in an uncertain world, we're looking to see who we can trust to lead the country, and this lessens, I think, faith in political leadership in general," he said Friday. |
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« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2008, 04:04:19 PM » |
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My future is secured.....do with healthcare want you want....I'm sure I'm the only one here who actually works it.
You cannot build your fancy engine without the nuts and bolts....take away monetary gain from choosing the profession, and watch the nuts and bolts walk into other professions....then you can build it with foreign parts.
Not True! I work for a very large Biomedical Company myself(not quite as big as J&J but you see my companies products every time you go to the doctor). I am not sure how universal health care would affect my company. would we be selling more product because more people are seeing the doctor or would the government eventually step in and regulate our industry as well. We manufacture everything from syringes, glassware, test tube, blood analyzers, etc. And thats where i come in. I fix the stuff when it breaks at the customers site. Our customers include universities, hospitals, clinics, and pharmaceuticals. Additionally I don't think a requirement to offer health insurance will effect my company directly because they already do. Indirectly our customers may be effected and may not buy that nice and shiny new instrument. |
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« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2008, 04:37:16 PM » |
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My future is secured.....do with healthcare want you want....I'm sure I'm the only one here who actually works it.
You cannot build your fancy engine without the nuts and bolts....take away monetary gain from choosing the profession, and watch the nuts and bolts walk into other professions....then you can build it with foreign parts.
Not True! I work for a very large Biomedical Company myself.............. I should have made myself clear.....I'm a certified factory mechanic.....I don't make the rags I use to wipe my hands on......you do. I am not sure how universal health care would affect my company. Obviously. |
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« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2008, 06:25:50 PM » |
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Do you really think anything on your wish list will happen. US politicians are more corrupt than any other nation. You cannot trust any of them to do the right thing. But it frightens me that Democrats are so gullable and quick to believe and not think for yourselves. So for your plan: the government is not allowed to siphon off funds for other things, medical field take advantage of the system by charging the maximum they possibly can when paid by the government for services. This has to end. Cass, I was trying to avoid saying this, but machioveli said it for me. I have very little faith in anything the feds attempt. That said, I fear that any type universal health care will lead to a complete wash out. |
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« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2008, 08:06:55 PM » |
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Right now isn't the system a wash out for 46 Million uninsured Americans?
Besides Obama is talking about universal health insurance not universal health care.
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« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2008, 09:26:49 PM » |
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US politicians are more corrupt than any other nation. I know of no reason that this would be so. I know of no evidence that this is so. Therefore, I doubt that this is so. Republican strategist Alex Castellanos said Friday that Edwards' infidelity may affect both parties' images. I would imagine any fallout would hurt McCain more than Obama: A former Arizona rodeo beauty queen and daughter of a millionaire Phoenix businessman, Cindy McCain was 25 when she met her future husband at a cocktail party in Hawaii. John McCain was a 43-year-old naval liaison officer travelling with a congressional delegation, his sights already set on a political career.
He was also still married to his first wife Carol, although the couple had recently separated. Carol later attributed the breakdown of the marriage to “John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again”.
McCain fell like a brick for Cindy, who was the heir to a brewery distribution business worth millions. For several years afterwards the McCains endured Washington gossip that he had dumped his first wife - who had been crippled in a car accident - in favour of a trophy bride to enhance his political ambitions.
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« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2008, 09:49:18 PM » |
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Besides Obama is talking about universal health insurance not universal health care. I'm sorry... but could you explain the distinction? Seriously... I can't see it... |
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« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2008, 05:11:27 AM » |
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Besides Obama is talking about universal health insurance not universal health care. I'm sorry... but could you explain the distinction? Seriously... I can't see it... My mistake. I meant government-provided health insurance v. government-provided health care. Great Britain has the latter. Doctors and nurses are government employees. That's not the way to go. |
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« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2008, 06:16:08 AM » |
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Insurance dictates reimbursement.....Medicare/Medicaid (government insurance) reimburse absurdly low that many specialty phycisians refuse to accept Medicare.....Medicare is useful for Primary Care (check ups, physicals, prescription refills, etc)....but get cancer where you need to enlist several specialties (Oncology, Surgery, Radiology)....the hunt begins for those who will accept low payments.
There should be no surprise that Physician Owned Specialty Hospitals are a new phenomena and will continue increase their numbers......and they DON'T accept Medicare/Medicaid.
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« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2008, 10:59:10 AM » |
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Besides Obama is talking about universal health insurance not universal health care. I'm sorry... but could you explain the distinction? Seriously... I can't see it... My mistake. I meant government-provided health insurance v. government-provided health care. Great Britain has the latter. Doctors and nurses are government employees. That's not the way to go. The former sounds like a health insurance voucher program. I could get into that... |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
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« Reply #73 on: August 10, 2008, 12:41:33 PM » |
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Besides Obama is talking about universal health insurance not universal health care. I'm sorry... but could you explain the distinction? Seriously... I can't see it... My mistake. I meant government-provided health insurance v. government-provided health care. Great Britain has the latter. Doctors and nurses are government employees. That's not the way to go. It is the way to go. The NHS was the greatest health system in the world, in its heyday. |
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« Reply #74 on: August 10, 2008, 12:51:43 PM » |
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Patton, perhaps you can explain why the US is such a special case?
I never said the US was a special case.....just Irwin. You seriously can't find the differences between the US and Canada/UK? I must have seriously overestimated your abilities. My apologies. There are lots of differences. For example, the sheer volume of right-wing propaganda that passes for journalism in the US is unrivaled (particularly the McCarthy era). Thus Americans accept the Thatcher/Reagan principle that all government activity must fail. But that is just propaganda. I see no actual reason why universal health insurance can't work in the US. Perhaps you can enlighten me? |
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