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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2008, 08:13:15 PM » |
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That is an opinion and one that many scientists are backing away from. God, give me strength.
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« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2008, 09:33:39 AM » |
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That is an opinion and one that many scientists are backing away from. God, give me strength. For a non-believer....that is a strange comment.
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« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2008, 06:45:55 PM » |
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Neue posts a bit of propaganda from the Senate website of the Senator who declared that global warming is a "hoax." Very convincing. I could post from NOAA, NASA, the National Science Foundation, etc., but what's the point? The conservative brain is just not capable of rationally processing information that conflicts with bedrock conservative ideology. It's one of the defining characteristics of conservatives. I mean really. What do you disagree with? The greenhouse theory? The fact that greenhouse gases have increased by about 50% since the advent of the industrial age? The fact that global temperatures are rising? Which one of those three do you disagree with? Because if you can't really dispute any of the three (which honest and sane people can't), then what you're left with is simply desperate attempts to toss up smoke screens.
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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2008, 07:00:15 PM » |
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For a non-believer....that is a strange comment. It's called "irony." Beseeching a non-existent warrior sky-god dreamed up by a hunter-gatherer tribe somewhere in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, to give me patience in confronting a member of the ideological persuasion which often purports to have a special relationship with Him is ironic. Get it? The ease in which a some of us fall into beliefs that are comfortable to our pre-existing ideologies is one of the reasons I think religion in general is dysfunctional for humanity. It gets people in the habit of believing whatever the hell feels good, rather than in what the evidence points to. In a related development: How about praying for a brain instead? Posted August 9th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Stuart Shepard is the type of right-wing Christian whose vision of faith is more informed by the mean-spirited, vengeful God of the Old Testament than the founder of the religion he so claims to cherish.
Shepard makes his living producing short videos for James Dobson’s Focus on the Family, the largest, best-funded Religious Right group in the nation. Shepard undoubtedly believes these videos are hip and clever. I suppose they are — if you’re a benighted fundamentalist Christian who just got web access last week. (”Look, Ma, I’m surfing the ‘internets.’”)
Consider Shepard’s most recent effort. He asks Christians to pray for rain on the evening of Aug. 28, when Sen. Barack Obama is scheduled to give an outdoor address at Denver’s Mile High Stadium during the Democratic National Convention.
Shepard calls for “abundant rain, torrential rain … flood-advisory rain.” He adds, “I’m talking about umbrella-ain’t-gonna-help-you rain … swamp-the-intersections rain.” (He later denies he wants people to be flooded out of their homes, however.)
Why would Shepard pray for this? As he puts it, “I’m still pro-life, and I’m still in favor or marriage being between one man and one woman.” --source: thecarpetbaggerreport.com
Jesus, please save me from your followers... Oh, maybe the Big Guy is busy doing other things. GOP Rep. To Environmentalists: Jesus Already Saved The Planet By Eric Kleefeld - August 12, 2008, 2:00PM We like to keep track of the, er, intriguing sayings of Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, the Christian Right champion from Minnesota. But this latest is really out there -- Bachmann says we don't need pesky environmentalists like Nancy Pelosi around, because Jesus already saved the planet!
"[Pelosi] is committed to her global warming fanaticism to the point where she has said that she's just trying to save the planet," Bachmann told the right-wing news site OneNewsNow. "We all know that someone did that over 2,000 years ago, they saved the planet -- we didn't need Nancy Pelosi to do that."
Wow.
Other recent Bachmannisms include the claim that there isn't actually any wildlife in the areas of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge where she wants more drilling, and the allegation that Democrats want high gas prices so as to force people to move into "inner cities" and "the urban core." --source, talkingpointsmemo.com
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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2008, 07:59:38 PM » |
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You've got a habit of posting stuff without links JPN. I'd not only like to see you change that, but I would like to see one for this. Since I live in Denver, I need to know if it's ok for me to not water my lawn that week.
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Who will watch the watchers?Now that it is over, what are we going to talk about?
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« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2008, 08:02:48 PM » |
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Biker: "I need to know if it's ok for me to not water my lawn that week."
Good one. My sources are listed at the bottom and the date and time of the post are at the top (did I miss one?). I just don't make the links active because I'm tired of having the spam blocker delete my posts.
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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2008, 06:25:39 AM » |
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What do you disagree with? The greenhouse theory? The fact that greenhouse gases have increased by about 50% since the advent of the industrial age? The fact that global temperatures are rising? I disagree with your cause and effect. So do many others. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamYps: the irony of our conversation is that I agree with less pollution, alternative fuels, cleaner environment, etc... My hair just isn't on fire that we need to start walking or drown our coasts.
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2008, 06:52:08 AM » |
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ps: the irony of our conversation is that I agree with less pollution, alternative fuels, cleaner environment, etc...
My hair just isn't on fire that we need to start walking or drown our coasts. Because when you're hair is on fire, it's already too late to worry about how it happened. Isn't it better to just not flirt with fire in the first place?
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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2008, 07:01:34 AM » |
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Isn't it better to just not flirt with fire in the first place? To a point, yes. Like I said, we should take reasonable steps to keep our environment clean but we should NOT enter into half-baked treaties and do things that will otherwise cripple and handicap ourselves based on Al Gore's power point.
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« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2008, 07:10:10 PM » |
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Quote from: neue regel I disagree with your cause and effect. So do many others. youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamYThe youtube video does not even address cause and effect. Instead, it employs a lot of mockery. But it does use the IPCC report, selectively, to try to make some of their points, and yet they don't spend much time on the IPCC's final conclusion, which is directly counter to everything this video is about. This is a conclusion that you may wish to familiarize yourself with: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf Your youtube video is simply the same talking heads making the same tired objections that have been explained away over and over by real scientists. Example, one "climatologist" (does he work for Exxon? We aren't told) claims that the lag between greenhouse gasses and warming going back 400,000 years or so "proves" that the claim that greenhouse gases drives warming is "exactly the opposite." So this guy is saying that the theory of the greenhouse effect is wrong. This alone proves what a hack he is. This is so easy to fully explain, in fact it is so well understood and simple that it just re-enforces the fact that this program clearly has a hidden agenda, and is deliberately misleading. The periods of warming in question all occur at the ends of the ice ages that have been occuring every 100,000 years or so, and TGGWS failed to mention this! To understand what is happening here we have to first know that the ice ages are cyclical due to the fact that the Earth's orbit is slightly eliptical (as are all the planetary orbits) and also because the Earth wobbles slightly on it's axis. Together these effects produce a 21,000-ish and a 100,000-ish year cooling/warming cycle known as Milankovitch cycles. The warming period in the cycle, just after the cold part, takes about 5000 years and the lag is only the first 800 years of that. The CO2 and other greenhouse gases take a bit of time to be released from the oceans as they warm, but when the levels get up enough they take over the warming role again. The best explanation3 we have for the 800 year lag is that this is the amount of time it takes for the deep oceans to be 'flushed' of the CO2 that they stored up during the ice age. www.astro-sharp.com/tggws.asp
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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2008, 08:20:35 PM » |
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Neue's hero himself, Dubya, not only admits that global warming exists but he recognizes that it is caused by human activity... but he can not bring himself to do anything about it. Bush admits humans cause global warming, but rebuffs action July 06, 2005: During the Group of Eight meeting in Gleneagles, Scotland, President Bush acknowledged -- for the first time -- that pollution generated by humans is contributing to global warming. However, behind the scenes his delegation kept up the pressure to water down the international action plan on the issue. In the G8's Communique on Global Warming, U.S. negotiators tried -- but failed -- to delete mention of how higher temperatures affect climate, soften goals for reducing global warming gas emissions and block more stringent environmental regulations for World Bank power projects. In the end, the Bush administration lost the battle. The final statement pledged that all countries would act "with resolve and urgency" to meet the objective of "reducing greenhouse gas emissions." The other seven countries also reaffirmed their commitment to the Kyoto Protocol, which the president opposes. They also rejected the president's claim that mandatory pollution limits would "wreck" their economies and are moving forward with cutting emissions.
"Despite intense lobbying over the last few weeks, President Bush was unable to hold back world action to reduce global warming pollution. While the president has not embraced a mandatory program to reduce global warming pollution, the other countries clearly rejected the U.S. insistence on only a voluntary approach," said David Hawkins, director of NRDC's Climate Center. "What's clearly emerged is that the administration can no longer turn back the clock on the science or persuade others to deny the need for real, mandatory action to reduce global warming pollution."
President Bush is increasingly isolated at home and abroad in his opposition to mandatory pollution cuts, says Hawkins. In recent weeks, prominent Republicans, Democrats and business leaders have called for mandatory limits on U.S. global warming pollution -- over strenuous White House objection. Last month a majority of the U.S. Senate, including key Republicans and Democrats previously opposed to pollution cuts, called for "mandatory market-based limits" to "slow, stop, and reverse the growth of greenhouse gas emissions." California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson announced major mandatory pollution reduction targets for their states. U.S. business leaders -- including the heads of General Electric and several major electric power producers -- have also called for action, realizing that voluntary efforts and modest government R&D programs won't do the job. http://www.nrdc.org/bushRecord/airenergy_warming.asp
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