Didn't say that.

I said that someone who hasn't smoked marijuana should not lecture others, who have tried it, on its effects.

As a doctor, your experience with drugs (in the clinical sense) is more intense then the vast majority of others here, but I'm not talking about what morphine can do to you. I'm talking about the medical reasons why marijuana should be as illegal as other, more harmful products THAT ARE LEGAL.


Did I ever say I'm more experienced in these matters? Did I ever even pretend I've experiences the same things you have? Did I ever give the impression that I was somehow ungrateful of the job you do?

No. I don't believe I did.

So why the guilt trip, then?

Are you sooooooo unable to make a legitimate argument for the criminilzation of marijuana that you have to stray so wildly off topic?


I guess that glass of wine you have with dinner and any benefit it provides to the social enviroment is equally silly?


And I make no argument.

You're right. Gruesome sights like dismembered children would be hard to erase from my mind... but what do such nightmares have to do with your personal experience with pot?


I never thought it would.

I just hoped you would actually see how ridiculous it is that marijuana is illegal even though it's effects differ so wildly from those of alcohol and other drugs. But I see your answer is to just start restricting the legal poisons we have now... cause it worked SOOOOOOOOOOO well the last time we did it ...

I'm sorry to see that Puritanism didn't die with the Puritans.


In case you haven't noticed, the "status quo" isn't working:



All of this "annually costs US taxpayers an estimated $7.6 billion, approximately $10,400 per arrest" in 2005(SOUCE).

Now tell me why this "status quo" is whorth advocating...


That's generally how people use it...

Intresting some resort to personal attacks as if it strengthens their position or will change opinions of others.

Advocates for pot speak out both sides of their mouth...advocating it's prescriptive use for treatment of cancer and HIV patients.....and then advocate it's recreational use.

What other prescriptive pharmaceutical gets this attention?

Bottom line is I'm not responsible for the drug laws....but I agree with them.

If alcohol were made illegal....I'd be fine with that too....I may have a glass two to three times a year....intresting that others try to paint me as some kind of alcoholic....it's actually laughable.

I am certainly aware of how strongly some cling to their use of drugs and alcohol....makes people crazy enough to lash out a people they no nothing of over the internet.....

  Its not a personal attack.  Its an observation.


Use the same side of my mouth for both arguments.

prescriptive pharmaceutical?  It's a god damned weed that used to grow by the side of nearly every road.




Bottom line, if you drink and speak out against pot, then by definition, you are a hypocrite.


  It is easy to say you'd be "fine" with it being criminalized when it is legal. I suppose you'd be "fine" with the black market, gang activity and enforcement money pit that would surely follow as well.  What is truly interesting is how you lie by insinuating that I tried to "paint" you as an alcoholic in an effort to prop up your stance.  I said:" light to moderate use", those were my exact words.


  Patton, I don't drink or use drugs.  I am a strict Constitutionalist.  From your past posts, I've noted you only support issues that affect you personally.  This further supports my claim that you just don't give a shit about anything that doesn't affect you.  Do you deny it?

Wow, whodathunk that even this could be spun into a conspiracy.

Don't forget the President's salary. As an admitted and confessed recovering alcoholic, our President is - by definition - a drug addict.

In any case, would not helping the unemployed; the poor; and the sick fall under the sacred and cherished Christian principals Conservatives love to so frequently proclaim this nation was founded upon? I swear, only in America, could groups that support capital punishment, preemptive wars, torture, denying healthcare to the sick because they cannot afford to pay for it, and the end of social service programs that help the poorest and neediest among us get away with calling themselves "Christians", "Values Voters", and the "Moral" *coughing* *choking* majority.

I'm sure if we could ask Him, Jesus Christ Himself would agree with you that we need to end all these bleeding heart liberal programs that give money to the sick and the poor causing our taxes to go up and prevent us - the richest people in the world living in the richest country in the world - from becoming even richer. I am confident He would be just as outraged as you are. "Get a Job freeloader!!!" Isn't that what Jesus said to the beggars in the streets? I pretty sure it was something like that. "No miracles performed without proof of insurance!" Wasn't that Jesus' response to the leper and the blind man in scripture? I'm not sure that was the exact phrase He used, but I'm sure Jesus wouldn't have provided medical treatment to a sick person completely for free. I mean who would do that, right?

I'm just glad we've had good moral Christian Republicans in the White House and in Congress these last 8 years keeping the country on the right track.  

Patton, where do you stand on the right to keep and bear arms? (I ask because I want to see if you apply your principles generally, or just to drugs you don't like.)

My my....this topic has just fallen into my "don't care enough to keep it going" category....we've now got folks comparing pot to chewing gum.....for whatever reason, someone thinks that's a good idea...I find it pathetic.

It is pointless discussing pharmacology and medicinal uses with those with no professional foundation.

I'm a hypocrite because I support laws I had nothing to do with creating......

Medical professionals do not classify a glass of wine 2-3 times a year as "light to moderate use"......but I'm the one called a liar.

An awful lot here written to support the use of a drug.....advocates of this activity bore me....especially in a forum such as this.

In closing....it was pointed out "you just don't give a shit about anything that doesn't affect you"...and most certainly when it comes to those spending a great deal of effort to advocate the use of drugs and alcohol....you're right....and I find the emotional pitch of these arguement hilarious.

When I get asked as a medical professional on issues of drug and alcohol use, I give it.....I understand that drug use does not exist in a vacuum and that there are many issues that piggyback with them....more often than not, drug and alcohol use are negatives....not just my opinion, because the rules, regulations, and laws out there on them have absolutely nothing to do with me.

My apparent crime is that I agree and support them.  

If it was a crime to be a hypocrite,  They'd have to throw a wall around the whole damn country.  Listen, Patten,  The only point I'm trying to impress on you is that there are so many things that have the potential to cause harm, but to single out certain items for political and/or financial reasons to the point of imprisoning those that disobey, has no place in a free society.  Once one thing is banned, where does it end?  We are talking about humans here.  The government has made the punishment far more damaging then the drug itself.  It makes no sense and as an American you should recognize this and speak out against the injustice.  Logically, how can you possibly agree with this pot law?  It defies logic.
   I'm just asking you to look at it from all angles.  Look at all the kids in jail for pot....pot.  It is senseless.