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« on: September 25, 2007, 05:59:40 PM »

In their sketch in "The Meaning of Life" they spoke about the small pebble we live on and its relationship to the rest of the Universe. It bears repeating how amazing the Universe is, and how precious life is.

Just some basic facts of our reality:

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A) The Earth rotates or spins at over 1000 miles per hour, taking 24 hours or one day to make one rotation. 

B) The Earth revolves around our star “The Sun,” at 30 kilometers a second or       67,000 miles per hour, taking one year to make one revolution.

C) Our solar system ( Solar  =’s, the sun, --, System  =’s, the planets, moons, asteroids and comets) revolves around the galaxy at 220 kilometers per second or 490,000 miles per hour, taking 225 million years to make one rotation around the galaxy.

D) Our four and a half billion year old solar system has made 18 revolutions around        the galaxy since its formation four and a half billion years ago.  The galaxy itself,          with its 100b to 300 billion other stars is about 10 billion years old.  Many stars            are younger than our Sun, most are older than the Sun.  Some stars are bigger             than the Sun, some are smaller than the Sun and some stars are just like our star,        the Sun.

E) In its orbit, the Earth is closest to the Sun  during the months of December and           January. In the summer for the north hemisphere, the Earth is further from the            Sun but the axis angle tilts the Earth so the northern hemisphere receives a more        direct hit from the light and heat from the Sun. In the winter the north receives the       light from the Sun at a low angle which produces less heat during the day                      causing the cold of winter. To see this, look at how low in the sky the Sun is in             the winter compared to how high in the sky it is in the summer. 

  F) The Earth has a diameter of 7,926 miles / 12,756.3 Km.

G) The Earth’s axial tilt is 23.45%

H) Atmospheric conditions,- Pressure = 101.325 kPa,  Nitrogen = 78%

     Oxygen = 21%,  Argon = 1%,

I) Water covers 71% of the Earth. (97% sea water, 3% fresh water.

J) In a nutshell, we live in  a Universe that is approximately 14 billion years old that started with an explosion of space and with that the beginning of time.  The Big Bang caused a burst of radiation and a burst of heat of trillions of degrees which caused the building blocks of matter to form. Separately, these building blocks were made of nothing but when they combined with one another they became protons, neutrons and electrons. When the Universe cooled further, it forced the protons, neutrons and electrons to combine and when they did 300,000 years after the Big Bang, they formed Hydrogen atoms.  These Hydrogen atoms later seperated in great groups or globs, some 100’s of thousands of light years in diameter.  Later the atoms started to bump into each other and stick together and they began to grow in size using gravity to collect more and more hydrogen atoms until they were the size of stars.  Some of these were huge stars with diameters as big as a billion miles in diameter.  At the center of these      proto-stars, the pressure from the inward pull is building the temperature until it reaches a point where the star somewhat ignites and starts fusing the hydrogen atoms together. When the two atoms combine they form Helium atoms.  Then a third atom combines to make Lythium and a forth to make Beryllium all the way up to the 26th natural element Iron. All the higher elements are made when these giant stars end their lives in Super Nova explosions which causes even higher temperatures which forces the iron atoms to combine with one another.

Later after the star has blown its matter into space, gravity again will take over and recombine these new elements into to hundreds of new stars.  Many of these new stars will also have planet systems revolving around them. These new planets now had all the elements to make the rocks, the water, the air and finally life itself.

All this that you’ve been reading has taken around 14 billion years to happen. Living an average of 70 years, we humans have a hard time with the concept of this time.  Unlike us, the Universe has the time.

                                                                                                 Look up
 

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 09:45:31 PM »

Spacey, man.

All the elements in our bodies, save perhaps some of the hydrogen, was created in the nuclear furnaces of stars.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 11:07:19 AM »

Spacey, man.

All the elements in our bodies, save perhaps some of the hydrogen, was created in the nuclear furnaces of stars.

No, god made us out of some dirt. Didn't you read the buybull?
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 12:33:32 PM »

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A) The Earth rotates or spins at over 1000 miles per hour, taking 24 hours or one day to make one rotation. 

B) The Earth revolves around our star “The Sun,” at 30 kilometers a second or       67,000 miles per hour, taking one year to make one revolution.

WOW, isn't it amazing that it takes exactly 1 day and 1 year? I mean it would be kind of messed up if it took longer or shorter. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 02:58:02 AM »

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A) The Earth rotates or spins at over 1000 miles per hour, taking 24 hours or one day to make one rotation. 

B) The Earth revolves around our star “The Sun,” at 30 kilometers a second or       67,000 miles per hour, taking one year to make one revolution.

WOW, isn't it amazing that it takes exactly 1 day and 1 year? I mean it would be kind of messed up if it took longer or shorter. Roll Eyes

They're not saying what "day" and what "year" they mean. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 01:35:52 PM »

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A) The Earth rotates or spins at over 1000 miles per hour, taking 24 hours or one day to make one rotation. 

B) The Earth revolves around our star “The Sun,” at 30 kilometers a second or       67,000 miles per hour, taking one year to make one revolution.

WOW, isn't it amazing that it takes exactly 1 day and 1 year? I mean it would be kind of messed up if it took longer or shorter. Roll Eyes


It's 23:56 for a day. That's why we have leap years. The poles don't really have "days". That's spheres for ya.


The earth revolves in the opposite direction that it revolves around the sun. Without this kenetic "English" spin we would drift into the sun.

The moon is so heavy compared to the Earth that it is really the nexus between the Earth and moons rotation around each other that rotates around the sun. Without the moon we would fall away from the sun.

21-21.5% Oxygen in the atmosphere. This is the only real abnormal part of our planet. So much free standing oxygen is incredibly volatile and is especially rare. It could almost certainly only be found in this proportion on a planet with so much plant life.. It is calculated that if there was 23-24% oxygen flame would shoot out 30' from a Bic lighter, concrete would be flammable and the first lightning strike to hit the earth would set it's surface ablaze.




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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2007, 02:17:13 PM »

A very small change in the percentage of absolute temperature would either be either too hot or too cold to sustain human life.

It's a truly large set of very specific conditions that have been met for us to be here.

Conditions were just right...
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2007, 08:09:40 PM »

A very small change in the percentage of absolute temperature would either be either too hot or too cold to sustain human life.

It's a truly large set of very specific conditions that have been met for us to be here.

Conditions were just right...

Indeed. The Universe is a completely hostile place for life and it would take billions of chances for a planet to orbit a few millions years in the "sweet spot".

Lucky for us, there are trillions of stars with trillions of planets, so its not really an surprise.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2007, 04:53:35 PM »

A very small change in the percentage of absolute temperature would either be either too hot or too cold to sustain human life.

It's a truly large set of very specific conditions that have been met for us to be here.

Conditions were just right...

Indeed. The Universe is a completely hostile place for life and it would take billions of chances for a planet to orbit a few millions years in the "sweet spot".

Lucky for us, there are trillions of stars with trillions of planets, so its not really an surprise.

With enough time and energy, *anything* can happen.

I think that there have been many, many other instances that were just right. I don't think we are "alone". I'm not talking about little green men from mars or anything. In fact I doubt that other life forms would occur on the same scale, or time, or  near enough location that we will find them, so in effect we are "alone".

After all, conditions were just right for dolphins too, but we haven't figured out how to communicate with them very well.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2007, 05:43:07 PM »

What's the average wing velocity of an unladen swallow?

"Estimating the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow
Hashing out the classic question with Strouhal numbers and simplified flight waveforms.
by Jonathan Corum

After spending some time last month trying to develop alternate graphic presentations for kinematic ratios in winged flight, I decided to try to answer one of the timeless questions of science: Just what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

What do you mean, an African or European Swallow?
To begin with, I needed basic kinematic data on African and European swallow species.


South African Swallow
(Hirundo spilodera)
European Swallow
(Hirundo rustica)

Although 47 of the 74 worldwide swallow species are found in Africa,1 only two species are named after the continent: the West African Swallow (Hirundo domicella) and the South African Swallow (Hirundo spilodera), also known as the South African Cave Swallow.
Since the range of the South African Swallow extends only as far north as Zaire,2 I felt fairly confident that this was the non-migratory African species referred to in previous discussions of the comparative and cooperative weight-bearing capabilities of African and European swallows.3
Kinematic data for both African species was difficult to find, but the Barn or European Swallow (Hirundo rustica) has been studied intensively, and kinematic data for that species was readily available.


It’s a simple question of weight ratios
A 54-year survey of 26,285 European Swallows captured and released by the Avian Demography Unit of the University of Capetown finds that the average adult European swallow has a wing length of 12.2 cm and a body mass of 20.3 grams.

Because wing beat frequency and wing amplitude both scale with body mass, and flight kinematic data is available for at least 22 other bird species, it should be possible to estimate the frequency (f ) and amplitude (A) of the European Swallow by a comparison with similar species. With those two numbers, it will be possible to estimate airspeed (U).


In order to maintain airspeed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?

Actually, wrong. By comparing the European Swallow with bird species of similar body mass, we can estimate that the swallow beats its wings 18 times a second with an amplitude of 18 cm:

Species Body mass Frequency Amplitude
Zebra Finch      13 g 27 Hz 11 cm
European Swallow 20 g ≈ 18 Hz? ≈ 18 cm?
Downy Woodpecker 27 g 14 Hz 29 cm
Budgerigar       34 g 14 Hz 15 cm

Note that even the tiny Zebra Finch flaps its wings no more than 27 times a second while cruising.
If we ignore body mass and look only at bird species with a similar wingspan, we can estimate an average frequency of 14 beats per second and an amplitude of 23 cm:

Species Wingspan Frequency Amplitude
Budgerigar 27 cm 14 Hz 15 cm
European Swallow ≈ 28–30 cm ≈ 14 Hz? ≈ 23 cm?
Downy Woodpecker 31 cm 14 Hz 29 cm
European Starling 35 cm 14 Hz 26 cm

By averaging all 6 values, we can estimate that an average European Swallow flies at cruising speed with a frequency of roughly 15 beats per second, and an amplitude of roughly 22 cm.

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Last month’s article on The Strouhal Number in Cruising Flight showed how simplified flight waveforms that graph amplitude versus wavelength can be useful for visualizing the Strouhal ratio (fA/U), a dimensionless parameter that tends to fall in the range of 0.2–0.4 during efficient cruising flight.

For a European Swallow flying with our estimated wingbeat amplitude of 24 cm, the predicted pattern of cruising flight ranges from a Strouhal number (St) of 0.2:

... to a less efficient 0.4:

If the first diagram (St = 0.2) is accurate, then the cruising speed of the European Swallow would be roughly 16 meters per second (15 beats per second * 1.1 meters per beat). If the second diagram (St = 0.4) is accurate, then the cruising speed of the European Swallow would be closer to 8 meters per second (15 beats per second * 0.55 meters per beat).

If we settle on an intermediate Strouhal value of 0.3:


We can estimate the airspeed of the European Swallow to be roughly 11 meters per second (15 beats per second * 0.73 meters per beat).


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Airspeed can also be predicted using a published formula. By inverting this midpoint Strouhal ratio of 0.3 (fA/U ≈ 0.3), Graham K. Taylor et al. show that as a rule of thumb, the speed of a flying animal is roughly 3 times frequency times amplitude (U ≈ 3fA).5


We now need only plug in the numbers:


U ≈ 3fA
f ≈ 15 (beats per second)
A ≈ 0.22 (meters per beat)
U ≈ 3*15*0.22 ≈ 9.9
... to estimate that the airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is 10 meters per second.

Oh, yeah, I agree with that with some further study, it became clear that these estimates are accurate, though perhaps coincidental.
An actual study of two European Swallows flying in a low-turbulence wind tunnel in Lund, Sweden, shows that swallows flap their wings much slower than my estimate, at only 7–9 beats per second:
“Compared with other species of similar size, the swallow has quite low wingbeat frequency and relatively long wings.” 7
The maximum speed the birds could maintain was 13–14 meters per second, and although the Lund study does not discuss cruising flight in particular, the most efficient flapping (7 beats per second) occurred at an airspeed in the range of 8–11 meters per second, with an amplitude of 90–100° (17–19 cm).


And there was much rejoicing

Averaging the above numbers and plugging them in to the Strouhal equation for cruising flight (fA/U = 7 beats per second * 0.18 meters per beat / 9.5 meters per second) yields a Strouhal number of roughly 0.13:
... indicating a surprisingly efficient flight pattern falling well below the expected range of 0.2–0.4.

Although a definitive answer would of course require further measurements, published species-wide averages of wing length and body mass, initial Strouhal estimates based on those averages and cross-species comparisons, the Lund wind tunnel study of birds flying at a range of speeds, and revised Strouhal numbers based on that study all lead me to estimate that the average cruising airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour."

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2007, 03:26:00 AM »

A very small change in the percentage of absolute temperature would either be either too hot or too cold to sustain human life.

It's a truly large set of very specific conditions that have been met for us to be here.

Conditions were just right...

That's assuming life on other planets look like us and are as biologically fragile.

It's entirely likely that the planets that DO have live have evolved to live there, just as we have here on Earth.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2007, 07:36:42 AM »

A very small change in the percentage of absolute temperature would either be either too hot or too cold to sustain human life.

It's a truly large set of very specific conditions that have been met for us to be here.

Conditions were just right...

That's assuming life on other planets look like us and are as biologically fragile.

It's entirely likely that the planets that DO have live have evolved to live there, just as we have here on Earth.

Fragile is all relative. IMO, each life from would have it's own set of unique circumstances. For instance, it's possible that something evolved with very high temperatures. Our comfortable temperature range could freeze them to death.

I think it's a high probability that something evolved somewhere, at some point, many times before and many times to come. Chances are, we may not even realize it if our paths ever cross.

Like I said we can't even really communicate with dolphins, and there is no doubt that they're intelligent and use language. Somehow I find it hard to believe that we will be capable of understanding extraterrestrials when we haven't figured it out for a species that we evolved next to.

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2007, 08:01:25 PM »

Agree'd, if we do find extraterrestrial life is is likley that we will be unable to understand each other. Our evolutions will be completely different (unless there is some universal constant conditions for life)



BTW: Has anyone played Halo? I just finished the campaign on Halo 3 and it has an amazing story. A creation story greater than any I have come across before. They mixed in mythology from all around the world and used it to create a mythology that mixed science and culture in amazing ways.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2007, 08:59:25 PM »

I here the Halo games always have a great story line...

But I would have to buy an XBOX360 to enjoy them, which just isn't affordable at the moment.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2007, 04:09:27 PM »

Agree'd, if we do find extraterrestrial life is is likley that we will be unable to understand each other. Our evolutions will be completely different (unless there is some universal constant conditions for life)

I think chances are fairly slim that we would even recognize each other, especially as sentient beings, even if we did recognize life. There are many processes that happen on fire different time and space scales than our reality.

I don't mean to say this is probable, but it's a good example of what I mean:

Can we prove that there is no thought process going on with the earth itself? The life-cycle of a rocks (from formation to eventual decomposition) is much much longer than ours. If the earth, through rocks and molten lava, did have thoughts, intuitive logic tells us that the thoughts would occur over a longer time-frame. Our thoughts can be witnessed objectively to a degree by monitoring the changing EM waves emitted by our brains. The earth has varying electromagnetic field field properties as well. They do indeed vary over the face of the earth, and they also change with time. It's commonly referred to as magnetic declination. Compass north (magnetic) is constantly changing in relation to geographic north.

My claim is more that if the earth itself does have a thought process we wouldn't be aware of it or have a snowballs chance of understanding it, than it is that the earth actually has thoughts.



BTW: Has anyone played Halo? I just finished the campaign on Halo 3 and it has an amazing story. A creation story greater than any I have come across before. They mixed in mythology from all around the world and used it to create a mythology that mixed science and culture in amazing ways.

I'm not really into many video games. I haven't had a game system since the super nintendo. But Halo is the shit. I might have to check Halo 3 out soon.
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