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Author Topic: War : Georgia vs Russia  (Read 3303 times)
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« on: August 08, 2008, 11:46:44 AM »

After both sides done anything possible to confront each other, the battle has began. I've seen Russian anti-Georgian propaganda since Saakashvili got elected as Georgian president. Propaganda was every where, from Russian comedy shows to political remarks of high command. Is NATO powerful enough to stop Russian intervention or not ? Clearly ppl of Osetia ( region war is all about ) probably won't win anything from that war whatever side they choose other one rape them back.
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 12:17:34 PM »

Is NATO powerful enough to stop Russian intervention or not?

Does NATO care?
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 12:55:45 PM »

Trust me my communist friend, NATO cares for anything as long as it related to Russia.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 01:00:05 PM »

Georgia seeks to become a member and have concluded talks toward that objective...I suppose they "care"....but I doubt to the point of intervention.

This will work it's way through the UN....and be largely ignored by a sitting permanent member of the UN Security Council with veto power.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 08:32:36 PM »

The greatest numbers of the "coalition of the willing" or bought and paid for, (take your pick) have already departed or scheduled to in the near future. Apparently, as a result of the warfare at home more will departing for Georgia. Not expressing any opinion on this thread, but just updating some information.  Anyone know how bad any
ground fighting is? I can't see calling home these troops unless it is.


Georgia calls back troops from Iraq amid fighting

Georgian president calls troops home from Iraq amid South Ossetia fighting

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Aug 08, 2008 12:22 EST

Georgia's president says the country is calling home its troops from Iraq amid heavy fighting in the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

Georgia has 2,000 troops serving with the coalition forces in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor after the United States and Britain.

But Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told CNN television Friday the troops would return urgently to Georgia after fighting erupted in South Ossetia.

"One brigade of Georgian forces is in Iraq and we are calling it home tomorrow," Saakashvili said in the interview.

Georgian defense officials could not be reached for further details.

Source: AP News




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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 08:50:12 PM »

Rather interesting analysis on Reuters.  Provides some information that tends to make more sense than trying to filter through MSM articles or opinion here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL8117957
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2008, 07:36:08 AM »

The West won't do much; it's the good old world where difference rules apply to different players. They could give Tbilisi some cash to buy the air defense systems. It looks like the Ukrainian S-300 downed several Russian planes. Russians already made the noise about Ukrainians pushing Georgia to war by supplying the air defense. Of course my position is that the entire Osetia, that is BOTH North OSetia and South Osetia, should be a unified sovereign state of the Osetian people. Guess who makes this impossible? Russia. Cremlin will gladly tear South Osetia from Georgia but would bomb into dust NORTH OSetia, should that part of Russ Federation exhibit any taste for independence.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 10:52:13 AM »

Just to share an earlier article. (Note not from one of those websites Patton refers to as lefty) The wired blog/dangeroom is primarily a site for discussion and information related to military actions and weaponry.  Some might find this post made prior to the order to return Georgian troops from Iraq as well as the U.S. involvement not being
discussed elsewhere to the best of my knowledge.

Did the U.S. Prep Georgia for War with Russia?
By Nathan Hodge August 08, 2008 | 12:52:00

Georgia and Russia are careening towards war. And the U.S. isn't exactly a detached observer in the fight. The American military has been training and equipping Georgian troops for years.

The news thus far: Georgia, which has been locked in a drone war over the separatist enclave of Abkhazia, has launched an offensive to reclaim another breakaway territory, South Ossetia. Latest reports indicate that Georgian forces are laying siege to Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. And Russia, which has backed the separatists, is sending in the tanks.

So why should we care? Oh, just the prospect of a larger regional war that could drag in Russia – and involve the United States as well. Since early 2002, the U.S. government has given a healthy amount of military aid to Georgia. When I last visited South Ossetia, Georgian troops manned a checkpoint outside Tskhinvali -- decked out in surplus U.S. Army uniforms and new body armor.

The first U.S. aid came under the rubric of the Georgia Train and Equip Program (ostensibly to counter alleged Al Qaeda influence in the Pankisi Gorge); then, under the Sustainment and Stability Operations Program. Georgia returned the favor, committing thousands of troops to the multi-national coalition in Iraq. Last fall, the Georgians doubled their contingent, making them the third-largest contributor to the coalition. Not bad for a nation of 4.6 million people.

Leaving aside the question of Russian interference (see below), the larger concern has been that Georgia might be tempted to use its newfound military prowess to resolve domestic conflicts by force.

As Sergei Shamba, the foreign affairs minister of Abkhazia, told me in 2006: “The Georgians are euphoric because they have been equipped, trained, that they have gained military experience in Iraq. It feeds this revanchist mood… How can South Ossetia be demilitarized, when all of Georgia is bristling with weaponry, and it’s only an hour’s ride by tank from Tbilisi to Tskhinvali?”

One of the U.S. military trainers put it to me a bit more bluntly. “We’re giving them the knife,” he said. “Will they use it?”

There are confirming hyperlinks included on the link as well as a list of other relevant articles.

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2008, 11:49:56 AM »

Should be good timing for Israeli attack on Iran and Americans finally set up their anti missile defense in Eastern Europe while Russians and Chinese have their toys on the floor. I mean long awaited fight against Georgia and Olympic Games.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2008, 03:26:53 PM »

Should be good timing for Israeli attack on Iran and Americans finally set up their anti missile defense in Eastern Europe while Russians and Chinese have their toys on the floor. I mean long awaited fight against Georgia and Olympic Games.

Funny you mentioned that because I was thinking the same thing. I thought the US would attack Iran later this month but I did not predict this conflict. It has made a huge change in the world now. Iran of all people has called for peace and immediate ceasefire in this conflict. Perhaps they know their buddy (Russia) has just took the spotlight off of them and an Israeli attack is in work. WWIII is starting to form slowly but surely.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2008, 09:24:18 PM »

Rather interesting analysis on Reuters.  Provides some information that tends to make more sense than trying to filter through MSM articles or opinion here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL8117957
Reuters is about as mainstream media as it gets(not that that is so horrible). 

Ironic isn't it, that Russia's government would support that breakaway republic for doing the same thing they brutalized Chechnya for trying?
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2008, 08:20:45 AM »

WWIII is starting to form slowly but surely.

If there gonna be any WWIII soon then its gonna be over oil and not Ossetia, Iranian nuclear program or last Britney's CD
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2008, 11:50:19 AM »

Trust me my communist friend, NATO cares for anything as long as it related to Russia.

NATO cares about the interests of it's large corporations.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2008, 07:11:49 PM »

WWIII is starting to form slowly but surely.

If there gonna be any WWIII soon then its gonna be over oil and not Ossetia, Iranian nuclear program or last Britney's CD

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/09/MNDG127U55.DTL
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2008, 07:23:02 PM »


This is an opposite to what i've meant. I mean war for oil not an article in some retarded newspaper that mentioned word oil simply because both countries have pipelines and oil. This war is over region and US support for Georgia is mainly because of Russia. There always been a conflict over there because Christians and Muslims who live nearby.
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