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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2008, 08:20:19 PM »

Religion isn't the cause of these wars in the region...just like its not the cause of war b/t Israel and its past enemies.  Religion is just scape goat reason to galvanize the poor and the masses.

The pipeline is definitely a reason IMO...the US supports Georgia b/c of its strategic location for future pipelines as well...and we should continue to as long as we have such a large demand for petro.  Abkhazia is the long term target for Georgia anyway.  Southern Ossetia is just a stepping stone to unite Georgia...at least in Saakashvili's mind.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2008, 01:27:37 AM »

three words "never trust Russia". Putin just made Bush look like an idiot and probably laughing behind his back.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2008, 06:32:37 AM »

The US has about as much a chance in stopping Russian aggression as Russia does in stopping US aggression.....neither want a repeat of October 1962.
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2008, 08:16:22 AM »

Religion isn't the cause of these wars in the region...just like its not the cause of war b/t Israel and its past enemies.  Religion is just scape goat reason to galvanize the poor and the masses.

This is the reason why same region had a war about century ago? Is that the reason of Middle Eastern conflicts century ago?
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2008, 05:17:34 PM »


If there gonna be any WWIII soon then its gonna be over oil and not Ossetia, Iranian nuclear program or last Britney's CD

It is over oil !

All those ex-soviet republics have oil or pipelines going through their territories.
Even Afghanistan it's about oil, for plans in the future, for pipelines. Why ? do you think, Taliban officials visited U.S before the war, for consultations with the Axis of Criminals in charge of White House?
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2008, 05:23:30 PM »

three words "never trust Russia". Putin just made Bush look like an idiot and probably laughing behind his back.

I'll give you 4 words: "never trust America again"
How about it ?
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2008, 08:01:57 PM »

mdma, could this bit of interesting information be a factor in your opinions?  It appears the control of that pipeline may very shortly, if not already, be in Russian hands.  Does it pay for Israel to play both sides of the fence?
If Bush is going to have an other little surrogate war with the Russians, can Israel afford to play along?  That oil from OPEC is really a lot more expensive. Did you miss this information or just choose not to share?

War in Georgia: The Israeli connection

For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice
Arie Egozi

The fighting which broke out over the weekend between Russia and Georgia has brought Israel's intensive involvement in the region into the limelight. This involvement includes the sale of advanced weapons to Georgia and the training of the Georgian army's infantry forces.
 
The Defense Ministry held a special meeting Sunday to discuss the various arms deals held by Israelis in Georgia, but no change in policy has been announced as of yet.
 
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Foreign Ministry warns Israelis against traveling to Georgia / Roee Nahmias
Ministry ups travel warning due to ongoing military conflict with Russia, asks Israelis already in Georgia to contact embassy in Tbilsi or ministry's situation room in Israel
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"The subject is closely monitored," said sources in the Defense Ministry. "We are not operating in any way which may counter Israeli interests. We have turned down many requests involving arms sales to Georgia; and the ones which have been approves have been duly scrutinized. So far, we have placed no limitations on the sale of protective measures." 
 
Israel began selling arms to Georgia about seven years ago following an initiative by Georgian citizens who immigrated to Israel and became businesspeople.
 
"They contacted defense industry officials and arms dealers and told them that Georgia had relatively large budgets and could be interested in purchasing Israeli weapons," says a source involved in arms exports.
 
The military cooperation between the countries developed swiftly. The fact that Georgia's defense minister, Davit Kezerashvili, is a former Israeli who is fluent in Hebrew contributed to this cooperation.
 
"His door was always open to the Israelis who came and offered his country arms systems made in Israel," the source said. "Compared to countries in Eastern Europe, the deals in this country were conducted fast, mainly due to the defense minister's personal involvement."
 
Among the Israelis who took advantage of the opportunity and began doing business in Georgia were former Minister Roni Milo and his brother Shlomo, former director-general of the Military Industries, Brigadier-General (Res.) Gal Hirsch and Major-General (Res.) Yisrael Ziv.
 
Roni Milo conducted business in Georgia for Elbit Systems and the Military Industries, and with his help Israel's defense industries managed to sell to Georgia remote-piloted vehicles (RPVs), automatic turrets for armored vehicles, antiaircraft systems, communication systems, shells and rockets.
 
According to Israeli sources, Gal Hirsch gave the Georgian army advice on the establishment of elite units such as Sayeret Matkal and on rearmament, and gave various courses in the fields of combat intelligence and fighting in built-up areas.

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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2008, 11:13:02 PM »

You themselves you believe in that that west reporters speak?
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 12:21:20 AM »

Don't ever trust a man who says a war will be cheap. He is either lying, or he's not the guy you want running a war.

Let's try to get to the bottom of what Condoleeza Rice was thinking when she criticized the Russian government over what it is doing in Georgia, she doesn't care about Georgia in particular, she just wanted to tell the Russian's what she thinks about the Russian way of handling things. Now Russia, a country who was gaining in soft power, is going to have to devote its resources towards fighting this war with Georgia. The Russian's had their "Vietnam" occur in Afghanistan and now they are going to have their version what the US had happen in Afghanistan, have happen here.

Have the Russian's done everything they could to make sure they get the job done with Georgia? Will that be
enough? We'll see. But I think 5 years from now, Russia will still be in Georgia, the cost of energy will be cheaper causing the government to have a smaller economy to fund the war, and the rerise of Russian power will have only been a short lived blip in the history of powerful nations. This will allow the US, India, and China to have more power and flex their influence world wide. Unless the US attacks Iran of course. Though the US did show that it can be wise, after it has exhausted every other possibility (like what happened in Iraq).
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2008, 12:48:04 AM »

Don't ever trust a man who says a war will be cheap. He is either lying, or he's not the guy you want running a war.

Let's try to get to the bottom of what Condoleeza Rice was thinking when she criticized the Russian government over what it is doing in Georgia, she doesn't care about Georgia in particular, she just wanted to tell the Russian's what she thinks about the Russian way of handling things. Now Russia, a country who was gaining in soft power, is going to have to devote its resources towards fighting this war with Georgia. The Russian's had their "Vietnam" occur in Afghanistan and now they are going to have their version what the US had happen in Afghanistan, have happen here.

Have the Russian's done everything they could to make sure they get the job done with Georgia? Will that be
enough? We'll see. But I think 5 years from now, Russia will still be in Georgia, the cost of energy will be cheaper causing the government to have a smaller economy to fund the war, and the rerise of Russian power will have only been a short lived blip in the history of powerful nations. This will allow the US, India, and China to have more power and flex their influence world wide. Unless the US attacks Iran of course. Though the US did show that it can be wise, after it has exhausted every other possibility (like what happened in Iraq).


    It no, Russia will not delay blockade of Georgia, it is not necessary to hope on that that russian will lie out money in the inventory, I think this will linger on 2-3 months, all will afterwards finished, saacashvilli and environment will be hung, but-but, exactly so, not electric-chair, this is too soft!
 
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2008, 01:03:31 AM »

three words "never trust Russia". Putin just made Bush look like an idiot and probably laughing behind his back.


   And you believe to whom? hypocrites and murderer- sadist?  Huh?
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2008, 08:20:22 AM »

.... regular BS copied from some site

and yes whats your point you one loving Jews woman? That Jews made this fight to sell weapons to both or what?
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2008, 11:12:03 AM »

.... regular BS copied from some site

and yes whats your point you one loving Jews woman? That Jews made this fight to sell weapons to both or what?


  Moreover here jewish woman?
  You from moldova??? you write nonsense!
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2008, 11:46:40 AM »

Moreover here jewish woman?  You from moldova??? you write nonsense!

нет я не молдаванин
кстати о Молдавии, лет так 17 назад я отъебал там твою маму с которой мы были там в отпуске.
так что ты не родился в "великой России" а говняном Совке
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2008, 11:52:00 AM »

It is partly about oil, and partly about Georgia trying to join NATO.
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