Please note that most of the articles are Israeli news sites, the other one was British.  I realize Fred you're not in Israel as the ranting nut case, mdma claims to be, but maybe you don't consider the Israeli nor the British press to be valid? Could that be the case? 

I am watching this conflict from TV as you most people. I tried to read all this topic post's but they were so boring, and actually most of them being  out of touch with reality... First of all i think both sides are to blame. But mostly the Georgian President... who expected what ?

Some thoughts (My thoughts)
a) Maybe Israel supplied Georgia with weapons because i) it has modern US and NATO compliant weaponry technology
                                                                           ii) it has a really big weapons industry with quite low prices
So Georgia can buy cheaper and easier (without US Congress limitations), NATO compliant weaponry. Georgia needs them if she wants to enter the NATO.
Greece and Turkey in the past had bought NATO compliant weaponry from Israel.
b) Israelian Weaponry Industries are having some sort of cooperation with some Russian weaponry Industries. I remember one case in Greece, and one case in Turkish Military Helicopters competitions.
c) I think simply Georgian president made a stupid mistake. And because he claimed the whole south Ossetia, now he lost all of it, even the part which was under Georgian Control.
d) I think the Russians couldn't do anything else, than attack... it would be foolish to except that Russia would just stand there and don't even fight.
e) I think South Ossetia and Abkhazia are like Kosovo. It depends on how you feel about the Kosovo issue.
f) The war is about EVERYTHING, but mostly for prestige... not Oil.


Georgia won't become easily a part of NATO... most nations inside NATO have many agreements with Russia, and will never get into trouble to support Georgia and fight against their basic Energy Supplier Russia...
The Baku Ceyhan pipeline doesn't feed 70% of Europe...  And appart from Oil, EU needs big amounts of natural Gas and many other resources which come primarily from nearby Russia.


Greek media showed facts which CNN and BBC didn't refer too. That's why in Greece most people didn't support neither Georgia nor Russia.

Cass don't get this personall. I was referring to many posts by other users too. Offcourse long replies, especially with long articles in them, are not the best way to express your point of view in a forum.

Actually as you said Greece is uninvolved, and wishes to remain, offcourse it is a NATO ally, but Greece the late years has very good relations with Russia, from energy till the tourism industry.

When it comes to information, i fear that internet instead of promoting information, has ended up into a tool of propaganda by many.

I still believe that in this case Israel had nothing to benefit from an indirect involvement in this conflict.



PS. This topic is soooo offtopic.

mdma, if this posted information from the Israeli DEBKAfile, is truthful, you may be absolutely correct in your assessment.  LOL, as to my personal sexuality your continued attempts at insults are only amusing.

Russia considers nuclear missiles for Syria, Mediterranean, Baltic
DEBKAfile Special Report
August 17, 2008, 9:18 PM (GMT+02:00)

DEBKAfile's military sources report Moscow's planned retaliation for America's missile interceptors in Poland and US-Israeli military aid to Georgia may come in the form of installing Iskandar surface missiles in Syria and its Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad.

Russian Baltic and Middle East warships, submarines and long-range bombers may be armed with nuclear warheads, according to Sunday newspapers in Europe.

In Georgia, Russian troops and tanks advanced to within 30 km of Tbilisi Saturday, Aug. 15. A Russian general said Sunday they had started pulling out after president Dimitry Medvedev signed the ceasefire agreement with Georgia and president George W. Bush called again for an immediate withdrawal.

After routing Georgia over the breakaway enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Moscow appears to be eying Poland, the Middle East, and possibly Ukraine, as the main arenas for its reprisals.

One plan on the table in Moscow, DEBKAfile's sources report, is the establishment of big Russian military, naval and air bases in Syria and the release of advanced weapons systems withheld until now to Iran (the S-300 air-missile defense system) and Syria (the nuclear-capable 200 km-range Iskandar surface missile).

Shortly before the Georgian conflict flared, Moscow promised Washington not to let Iran and Syria have these sophisticated pieces of hardware.

The Iskander's cruise attributes make its launch and trajectory extremely hard to detect and intercept. If this missile reaches Syria, Israel will have to revamp its anti-missile defense array and Air Force assault plans for the third time in two years, as it constitutes a threat which transcends all its defensive red lines.

Moscow's war planners know this and are therefore considering new sea and air bases in Syria as sites for the Iskander missiles. Russia would thus keep the missiles under its hand and make sure they were not transferred to Iran. At the same time, Syrian crews would be trained in their operation.

DEBKAfile's military sources report Syrian president Bashar Assad will be invited to Moscow soon to finalize these plans in detail.

Military spokesmen in Moscow said Saturday and Sunday that Russian military planners to started redesigning the nation’s strategic plans for a fitting response to America's decision to install 10 missile interceptors in Poland and the war developments in Georgia.

The chairman of the Israeli Knesset foreign affairs and defense committee, Tzahi Hanegbi, spoke out strongly Sunday, Aug. 17, against treasury plans to slash the defense budget. He warned that the military faced grave confrontations in the coming year - possibly on several fronts.

http://www.debka.com/headline_print.php?hid=5513

LOL, and you call yur articles "information"?
It's not because they are Israelis or British that they convince me. Nothing in these articles shows that Israel has a political agenda in Georgia.

So let's say Israel has sold weapons to Georgia and maybe sent a few technicians to teach how to use them (by no means the hundreds of military trainers on the battlefield previousely reported). So what?
They do that with everybody who buy weapons from them.

Again, oversimplification and total ignorance in geography and european politics.

The Ossietian and Abkhazian conflict are local business with no link to the external world (I mean the group of hills where the shoot-outs happen).

Georgia is far from being in Nato, the missile shield in Poland is far from being build (I know Poland), and Russia is not going to change their attitude with their main trading partner just because the Georgian mafia godfather has shelled Ossetian civilians.

PiermatoZwo
I agree with you. Shaakashvili has made a big mistake. IMO, what an idiot.

First he should have known that he had no chance against the Russian army.
Second South Ossetians are pro-russians, he had no support in the local population, especialy after he bombarded them.

IMO, he is very lucky it's the moderate Medvediev who is president, otherwise Russian soldiers would have occupied the whole Geogia and started a Chechen style conflict.

Once more though you apparently paid no attention to the ZEBAKfile article, it is from your country mdma, once more ignoring your inability to avoid more insults, we are in agreement.

James, i thought you are not allowed to read Jew media ! I can assure you that ZEBAKfile is not from my country! more likely its from yours.


Now if you question was why i never answer to your posts but just flame you then
1.i'm not interested in your opinion as you mean nothing to me
2.you copy paste articles and mostly using same kind of counter punches with personal flames towards others, seen that here and there so FO,,,

Have a good prayer, James!