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« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2008, 11:40:44 PM »
Quote from: freethinker on August 14, 2008, 01:56:30 PM
.......spend and  wealthy tax break policies have caused the economy to tank. Who would YOU blame?

-For example, he (McCain) voted against a 2005 energy bill in part because it included billions of dollars in subsidies for oil and natural gas production. Obama voted for the measure, and Bush signed it into law.- How about America's legislative (you know the same people you voted into congress 2 years ago for change) and the executive branch. Despite what you think, one man does not run the United States. With that said how much do you really think Obama can change?
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« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2008, 08:51:37 AM »
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Quote from: freethinker on August 14, 2008, 01:56:30 PM
.......spend and  wealthy tax break policies have caused the economy to tank. Who would YOU blame?

-For example, he (McCain) voted against a 2005 energy bill in part because it included billions of dollars in subsidies for oil and natural gas production. Obama voted for the measure, and Bush signed it into law.- How about America's legislative (you know the same people you voted into congress 2 years ago for change) and the executive branch. Despite what you think, one man does not run the United States. With that said how much do you really think Obama can change?
2005 ...that was the old McCain. The new McCain would give every break possible to big oil in exchange for their financial support.
 Of course one man doesn't "run "the United States (as much as junior would like to) But given a Democratic majority in congress who with Obama would lead and legislate in the interest of the American PEOPLE as opposed to to what we have had ,Yes I believe he and the legislature can and will make a huge difference. They will turn the democracy back to a government that represents the best interest of all the people not just the cooperate interests.
 If you don't believe change is due in this country you are sadly and profoundly mistaken.
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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2008, 09:49:45 AM »
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They will turn the democracy back to a government that represents the best interest of all the people not just the cooperate interests.

Americans overwhelmingly support drilling. Congressional leadership stands in the way of the American people.

People have historically supported school vouchers. Congress has stood in the way and sided with corporate interests.

How can we know they, this time, will side with the American people?
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« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2008, 10:11:50 AM »
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They will turn the democracy back to a government that represents the best interest of all the people not just the cooperate interests.

Americans overwhelmingly support drilling. Congressional leadership stands in the way of the American people.

I agree.

Pelosi is making a massive mistake by acting like Nurse Ratchett for the US Legislature.

And this is coming from a guy who opposes the whole silly concept of drilling in the first place.

The least you could do is have a debate!

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« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2008, 10:18:43 AM »
Quote from: freethinker on August 15, 2008, 08:51:37 AM
Of course one man doesn't "run "the United States (as much as junior would like to) But given a Democratic majority in congress who with Obama would lead and legislate in the interest of the American PEOPLE as opposed to to what we have had ,Yes I believe he and the legislature can and will make a huge difference. They will turn the democracy back to a government that represents the best interest of all the people not just the cooperate interests.
 If you don't believe change is due in this country you are sadly and profoundly mistaken.

OK, I see where this is going. If Obama gets elected things will still be just as bad then next we blame the judges. Change the constitution to give the president power to fire judges in Supreme Court because apparently it has to be their fault now.

When you say American people who are you referring too? Aren't the wealthy corporate CEO's and leaders just as American as you and deserve their voices and point of view heard?
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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2008, 10:24:09 AM »
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The least you could do is have a debate!

Won't happen. Follow the money with Pelosi.
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« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2008, 10:58:47 AM »

 
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OK, I see where this is going. If Obama gets elected things will still be just as bad then next we blame the judges. Change the constitution to give the president power to fire judges in Supreme Court because apparently it has to be their fault now
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 No you don't see where anything is going machioveli
You have it exactly wrong, it is the republicans who are trying to expand the powers of the presidency by changing the constitution and who want to overide the opinion of the courts.
 
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When you say American people who are you referring too? Aren't the wealthy corporate CEO's and leaders just as American as you and deserve their voices and point of view heard?
The wealthy cooperate CEO's and leaders are a VERY small percentage or the American people...no let me restate that ...they are a minuscule percentage of the American people, but because they control a large percentage of the money ,they are given an undue representation and favoritism in a republican administration and legislature who worship and cater to wealth. 
 That is going to change.
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« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2008, 11:17:25 AM »
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OK, I see where this is going. If Obama gets elected things will still be just as bad then next we blame the judges. Change the constitution to give the president power to fire judges in Supreme Court because apparently it has to be their fault now
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 No you don't see where anything is going machioveli
You have it exactly wrong, it is the republicans who are trying to expand the powers of the presidency by changing the constitution and who want to overide the opinion of the courts.
 
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When you say American people who are you referring too? Aren't the wealthy corporate CEO's and leaders just as American as you and deserve their voices and point of view heard?
The wealthy cooperate CEO's and leaders are a VERY small percentage or the American people...no let me restate that ...they are a minuscule percentage of the American people, but because they control a large percentage of the money ,they are given an undue representation and favoritism in a republican administration and legislature who worship and cater to wealth. 
 That is going to change.

I am going to save this qoute if Obama gets elected.
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« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2008, 02:21:51 PM »
 
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I am going to save this qoute if Obama gets elected.
Don't you mean when Obama gets elected! Cool
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