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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2008, 12:34:03 PM » |
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Just because there's hypocracy from the messenger doesn't negate the fact that your boy and your whole party are hypocrites themselves.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2008, 12:43:48 PM » |
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Um...very good there....I was not the one throwing stones at McCain from the safety of my glass house.
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2008, 08:14:47 PM » |
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Surely Patton should be well aware under the UCMJ, that McCain was subject to at the time of his adultery with the beer heiress he was guilty and admitted the crime. The UCMJ is the only code of laws in the U. S. where adultery remains a crime. So when he was busily having his affair with Cindy, he was committing a crime. One would think an Academy graduate would have had some familiarity with the Uniform Code Of Military Justice. Realistically, unless charges are preferred against a service member, investigated, and proof discovered, it is a very rarely prosecuted crime. But quite technically, McCain is an an admitted criminal. Today's LA Times suggests he was not only a criminal by the standards of the UCMJ, but also a bigamist. It appears there are some discrepancies in the divorce filing dates and claims made by McCain. I know of no state in the U.S. including Hawaii, where bigamy isn't a crime. Wonder if the LA Times article today will have legs? Or will like the majority of the MSM continue to give McCain a pass. McCain's broken marriage and fractured Reagan friendship Spencer Weiner / Los Angeles Times The nature and timing of his divorce from Carol Shepp alienated key friends -- and his version doesn't always match that in court documents. By Richard A. Serrano and Ralph Vartabedian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers July 11, 2008 Outside her Bel-Air home, Nancy Reagan stood arm in arm with John McCain and offered a significant -- but less than exuberant -- endorsement. "Ronnie and I always waited until everything was decided, and then we endorsed," the Republican matriarch said in March. "Well, obviously this is the nominee of the party." They were the only words she would speak during the five-minute photo op. In a written statement, she described McCain as "a good friend for over 30 years." But that friendship was strained in the late 1970s by McCain's decision to divorce his first wife, Carol, who was particularly close to the Reagans, and within weeks marry Cindy Hensley, the young heiress to a lucrative Arizona beer distributorship. The full article is on the link with pics. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-divorce11-2008jul11,0,5924926,full.story |
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2008, 08:21:01 PM » |
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You sound like a child who complains his kid sister lies MORE than him......and she gets away with it...talk about "weak and unacceptable"  Oh I love metaphors... If the child lies that he didn't sneak an extra candy from the jar and kid sister lies that her sibling murdered the neighbors dog then maybe he has a point. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 10:44:20 AM » |
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I understand you wish there to be absolutely no counters to hypocracy.
It's not hypocrisy because it is not the same thing. Barack Obama is not participating in the same behavior as John McCain. John McCain is purposely and intentionally constructing lies, that John McCain knows full well are lies, in order to misinform the public. Barack Obama is not doing that. Therefore, there is no hypocrisy. |
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 10:57:35 AM » |
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So.....Barack Obama's lies are unintentional?  |
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2008, 12:30:30 PM » |
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So.....Barack Obama's lies are unintentional? Finish your question and I would be glad to answer it. Tell me, specifically, to which of Barack Obama's lies are you referring? |
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2008, 02:32:00 PM » |
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While this discussion continues with arguments from the right and left, my sense of humor just can't resist this "interesting" photograph especially for Patton. And yes, I know it's a bit old, but I suspect this is the effect McCain continues have on a large majority of voters. http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8725/mccainrallyqp1.jpg |
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who knows what life would be like now had they lived.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 02:48:37 PM » |
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Finish your question and I would be glad to answer it. Tell me, specifically, to which of Barack Obama's lies are you referring? There are so many....I don't know where to start. |
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2008, 07:04:29 PM » |
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There are so many....I don't know where to start. Well, how about at the beginning? Or perhaps the middle? The end? You choose. Since there are SO many, it must be child's play to just pick a small handful at random. We'll wait. |
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« Last Edit: August 12, 2008, 07:13:32 PM by jpn of Seattle »
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2008, 07:09:25 PM » |
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With respect to fairness, I'm reasonably sure someone could make a few posts about all the times that Obama has lied... Well then, by all means, let's be fair. Let's see some outright, blatant, in-your-face lies by Obama, comparable to McCain's many outright, blatant, in-your-face lies that have been documented right here in this thread. Waiting... *Yawn.* *Stretch.* Well, during this quiet time, let's review the Obama Campaign's response to the latest deliberate dishonesty issuing from the McCain camp: Here's the response to McCain's latest "celeb" ad from Obama spokesperson Hari Sevugan:
"This ad is a lie, and it's part of the old, tired politics of a party in Washington that has run out of ideas and run out of steam. Even though a host of independent, nonpartisan organizations have said this attack isn't true, Senator McCain continues to lie about Senator Obama's plan to give 95% of all families a tax cut of $1,000, and not raise taxes for those making under $250,000 a single dime. The reason so many families are hurting today is because we've had eight years of failed Bush policies that Senator McCain wants to continue for another four, and that's what Barack Obama will change as President." |
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« Last Edit: August 12, 2008, 07:21:39 PM by jpn of Seattle »
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2008, 07:50:46 PM » |
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With respect to fairness, I'm reasonably sure someone could make a few posts about all the times that Obama has lied... Well then, by all means, let's be fair. Let's see some outright, blatant, in-your-face lies by Obama, comparable to McCain's many outright, blatant, in-your-face lies that have been documented right here in this thread. Waiting... *Yawn.* *Stretch.* Well, during this quiet time, let's review the Obama Campaign's response to the latest deliberate dishonesty issuing from the McCain camp: I'm not partisan enough... which is why I gave someone else the benefit of the doubt... |
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2008, 08:10:34 PM » |
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I'm not partisan enough... which is why I gave someone else the benefit of the doubt... That's cool. I'm sure Patton is right now sifting through ALL thoese examples of Obama's many, many outright lies so that he can provide us with some choice examples. While the McCain camp provides us with examples almost every day, and certainly every week, of blatant lies, I'm sure that arch-partisan Patton will have NO trouble proving that Obama is not the least bit different. |
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What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2008, 06:06:06 AM » |
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Common to the republican play book is this kind of transference of guilt I.E. accuse the opponent of what you are guilty of in order to diffuse any future accusation on yourself. We saw it from the republican smear machine many times in 2004. The same guys now working for McCain are up to the same dirty tactics: What’s a Republican candidate to do when he’s rightfully accused of being beholden to the interests and agenda of Big Oil? Why, wrongfully accuse your opponent of being beholden to the interests of Big Oil. Just a day after getting publicly busted for taking highly dubious campaign contributions from a Queens, NY, couple with ties to the energy industry, the McCain campaign is selectively citing a Center for Responsive Politics report to make the ludicrous argument that Obama is in the pocket of the oil industry. New McCain communications flack Nicole Wallace — formerly of Bush Co. — took to “Morning Joe” this morning to push this deceptive storyline, only to get busted on it despite Joe Scarborough’s most valiant effort to cover for her. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/09/mccains-latest-lie-obama-is-the-big-oil-candidate/ This kind of scum ball confusion tactic is becoming so transparent all we have to do to find out what the McShame camp is up to, is to listen to what they accuse Obama of. Its getting almost comical. |
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2008, 06:28:11 AM » |
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Common to the republican AND DEMOCRATIC play book is this kind of transference of guilt I.E. accuse the opponent of what you are guilty of in order to diffuse any future accusation on yourself. C'mon, free. Let's be objective here...  |
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