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Author Topic: McCain the Liar and the "Straight-Lie-Express"  (Read 1113 times)
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 08:25:47 AM »

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McCain’s claim is false. In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. Even Arizona lawmaker, Rep. Jeff Flake (R), said he was planning to “lean against the measure.” The National Taxpayers Union, another traditional McCain ally, questioned why the senator was making federal taxpayers foot the bill for the center.
This is similar to how Ron Paul's district received a great amount of public funds for various projects, despite his libertarian obsession. Granted he did not have much influence, though it is ironic.
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2008, 09:04:05 AM »

Common to the republican AND DEMOCRATIC play book is this kind of transference of guilt I.E. accuse the opponent of what you are guilty of in order to diffuse any future accusation on yourself.

C'mon, free.

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OK Abraxas, convince me. Site an example of the Democratic party pulling this decidedly Rovian tactic with link, and I will amend my post.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2008, 09:11:57 AM »

I find it laughable there are those that believe a fast talking Chicago liberal politician has not or does not lie.

Getting into a petty "show me" game is un-necessary when search engines are available for ones use.
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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2008, 10:23:29 AM »

 Challenge to you then Patton. If proof is "petty" , then petty I am . Or should I just take your word that Obama has used this particular tactic? Show me where Obama accused McSame of doing something nefarious that the Obama camp was later shown to be guilty of. Don't give me that "there are search engines out  there look it up" crap. Put up or shut up.
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2008, 10:33:03 AM »

McCain can not win if he discusses the real Obama plans, so he makes things up to argue against. Another example;
 McCain misrepresents Obama's tax proposals again. And again, and again.

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The TV ad claims in a graphic that Obama would "raise taxes on middle class." In fact, Obama's plan promises cuts for middle-income taxpayers and would increase rates only for persons with family incomes above $250,000 or with individual incomes above $200,000.

The radio ad claims Obama would increase taxes "on the sale of your home." In fact, home-sale profits of up to $500,000 per couple would continue to be exempt from capital gains taxes. Very few sales would see an increase under Obama's proposal to raise the capital gains rate.

A second radio ad, in English, says, "Obama has a history of raising taxes" on middle-class Americans. But that's false. It refers to a vote that did not actually result in a tax increase and could not have done so.

These ads continue what's become a pattern of misrepresentation by the McCain campaign about his opponent's tax proposals.

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Sen. John McCain's campaign released the 30-second spot Aug. 8. Campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said the ad would be running in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

John McCain 2008 Ad: "Painful"

Announcer: Life in the spotlight must be grand, but for the rest of us times are tough.

Obama voted to raise taxes on people making just $42,000.

He promises more taxes on small business, seniors, your life savings, your family.

Painful taxes, hard choices for your budget. Not ready to lead. That's the real Obama.

McCain: I'm John McCain and I approved this message.

The ad continues McCain's pattern of misrepresenting Sen. Barack Obama's tax proposals as falling on middle-income families. It claims that Obama "promises more taxes on small businesses, seniors, your life savings, your family." But that's untrue for the vast majority of small businesses, seniors and individual taxpayers, who would see their taxes go down under Obama's actual plan. He proposes to increase taxes only for those with more than $250,000 in family income, or $200,000 in individual income.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/151621
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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2008, 10:40:07 AM »

Biker, you should know that if you make an accusation, saying "check the search engines" is a pretty poor "proof".  The only think close that I have seen where Obama misrepresented McCain is by siting he received $2M from oil companies when it was more like $1.4M.  Definitely not the same level as claiming Obama is the cause of $4 gas that McCain is guilty of.  BTW, love the avatar.  If you are a McCain supporter, why is your avatar of Obama next to an American flag?  Makes the man look like a visionary.  (BTW, if it is some lame attempt at showing Obama not to be patriotic, it deserves one of BBW's fail posts)
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« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2008, 11:53:36 AM »

 Perrin ; The popular lie about the photo Patton uses as his avatar is that Obama does not put his hand over his heart when the pledge is recited. It is this LIE that made this photo popular amoung right wing hacks looking to invent something to end his popularity. In fact the photo was taken at the start of the national anthem not the pledge.
 Obama asserts that he was taught as a child that "you put your hand over your heart for the pledge, when the anthem is played you sing"... Sounds good to me.
 Here is a photo of Obama reciting the pledge.
 
 Here is a photo Patton doesn't want us to look at...McCain embracing Bush and all he represents
  ...note how his eyes are closed in what appears to be a profound emotional display in an adoration of the man and what he stands for.
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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2008, 01:17:59 PM »

Common to the republican AND DEMOCRATIC play book is this kind of transference of guilt I.E. accuse the opponent of what you are guilty of in order to diffuse any future accusation on yourself.

C'mon, free.

Let's be objective here... police
OK Abraxas, convince me. Site an example of the Democratic party pulling this decidedly Rovian tactic with link, and I will amend my post.

You do it everytime Neue or Patton brings something up about a Democrat!

Here is a photo Patton doesn't want us to look at...McCain embracing Bush and all he represents
  ...note how his eyes are closed in what appears to be a profound emotional display in an adoration of the man and what he stands for.

Or maybe he just pooped himself.

Old people do that, ya know...
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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2008, 01:28:04 PM »

Finish your question and I would be glad to answer it. Tell me, specifically, to which of Barack Obama's lies are you referring?

There are so many....I don't know where to start.

My advice to you is to stop responding to threads you are too intellectually lazy to participate in. It's really quite simple. If you have evidence Barack Obama is practicing campaign tactics as equally dishonest as John McCain then provide it. If you don't, admit it. And if the discussion is of no interest to you one way or the other, then don't respond.   
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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2008, 01:41:05 PM »

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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2008, 02:18:29 PM »

Roll Eyes
No response ...duely noted.
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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2008, 02:33:07 PM »


You do it everytime Neue or Patton brings something up about a Democrat!
I am a Democrat ... I am not the Democratic party or the Obama campaign.
Here is a photo Patton doesn't want us to look at...McCain embracing Bush and all he represents
  ...note how his eyes are closed in what appears to be a profound emotional display in an adoration of the man and what he stands for.


Or maybe he just pooped himself.

Old people do that, ya know...
Or maybe he was just taking a quick, unexpected, midday nap ...old people do that as well. Grin
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« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2008, 05:57:47 PM »

This is quite interesting. It was just assumed by several posters here the Obama must be equally dishonest as McCain.

And yet, while the examples of McCain's blatant dishonesty fill several long posts, there hasn't been anything close to an equivalent list generated regarding Obama--not even a single instance, in fact.

So...hmm. Maybe Obama isn't being as dishonest as McCain is? Maybe McCain is running a more dishonest campaign than Obama?

Could it be? And if it is true, as it appears to be, what does that mean? What does it say about McCain and his policies, versus Obama and his policies?
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2008, 05:48:07 AM »

 McShame lies that he won't lie. Is there no end to this campaigns dishonesty??
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Centuries-old John McCain is still saying he will never, ever, ever in the 400 years he plans to live attack the patriotism of Barack Obama.

That is just simply not true.

After Obama canceled his visit to a military hospital in Germany during his international masquerade, McCain and his lackeys jumped on him for skipping out because he couldn't bring the media with him.
 
The only problem with that claim -- and there is only one problem -- is that there is absolutely no evidence, no reports, no statements and no truth whatsoever to back it up.
http://brighthall.aol.com/2008/07/31/john-mccain-lies-says-he-wont-lie/
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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2008, 06:44:10 AM »

 Remember when McShame said he wouldn't have lobbyists on his campaign anymore?...
 Well, one more lie for the old man.
 
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So Much for McCain's No-Lobbyist PolicyJohn McCain's declared policy of not having lobbyists as part of his campaign team has always been full of holes and contradictions. But the fact that his top foreign policy advisor Randy Scheunemann arranged a phone call between his longtime lobbying client, the Georgian president, and the Republican presidential candidate on the same day that Scheunemann's lobbying company Orion Strategies signed a $200,000 lobbying renewal contract with the country really takes the cake for conflict of interest. With the Caucasian nation's territorial integrity in jeopardy after five days of fighting with Russian forces, it's hard not to wonder whether the Georgian leadership thinks in retrospect that it got its money's worth from its lobbying investment.

 http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/08/9263_so_much_for_mcc.html
 It appears that even his foriegn policy agenda can be bought.
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