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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2008, 03:12:00 PM » |
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Are you saying I could drive my Saturn Ion right up to the side of the source of US military information and be seen by ONE camera? Well except there's a human guard right there who's's going to radio you in. And then another gate. And then 100 or more marines. Second off the 3 pics we're looking at have other pics in the same time frame that were ever-so cleverly excluded. You might not have known that, but thats the idea to those who posted it. Third the cameras and blockades, gates and reinforced walls are supposed to prevent truck bombs, small artillery, shoulder fired missiles and rammings. Not a passenger liner hijacked and then flown straight into the wall, as Mach pointed out. We forget that before 9/11 there was no 9/11. Intel chatter or not there was no conception that someone would or even could do something like this. After all it depends on a fair bit of luck, a lot of planning but most of all 'intelligent' people who are thoroughly committed to suicide. Just doesn't happen every day. I know a lot of people who would shrug and not really think about it - pre-9/11. Just sayin, Abraxas |
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2008, 04:30:02 PM » |
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I know, and I'm not debating the scale of what happened... I'm just amazed that the only peice of surveillance equipment that captured anything (aside from radars, maybe) was a crappy camera at the front gate.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm not promoting an agenda or villifying anyone... I'm just pointing out something that doesn't quite add up.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2008, 06:27:47 PM » |
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I drive past the pentagon's damaged side (still isn't completely fixed for some reason)...I know some people who were present there and 1 person who was driving on Highway 1 and says he saw the plane fly right into. All credible people, and I'll take their word.
some of you konspiracy people are just too far out sometimes.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2008, 06:29:30 PM » |
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I know some people who were present there and 1 person who was driving on Highway 1 and says he saw the plane fly right into. Wow! I don't know if I could sleep for seeing that. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 07:47:25 PM » |
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I drive past the pentagon's damaged side (still isn't completely fixed for some reason)...I know some people who were present there and 1 person who was driving on Highway 1 and says he saw the plane fly right into. All credible people, and I'll take their word.
some of you konspiracy people are just too far out sometimes. I try not to look like one. It must be my adolescent angst. P.S. I didn't know you lived in D.C.. I thought you were in Kansas too, for some reason... |
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2008, 08:39:43 PM » |
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Ahkanetan ------------------ I ask the simple questions that you avoid again: How do you explain every piece of debris from the aircraft in question taken out of the building? How do you explain the bodies or the DNA from every single passenger on the plane also taken out of the building? ------------------------ Those are not questions for debate, you copy/paste the official account that we all know. nothing new I don't confirm nor denying facts, I just ask, because most people in open polls still doubt on what is related by authorities- especially when we know that the White House has providing hundreds of lies before war. http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/169628/resultsWhy it should be debris of a aircraft and not other engine? Why it should be DNA of passengers and not workers? "Now word has reached us that federal investigators may have video footage of the deadly terrorist attack on the Pentagon. A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation. It may be the only available video of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did not capture the crash. The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring." (B. Gertz, The Gertz File, 21 sept. 2001) Where are the bodies? Supposedly 100 Tons of steel and titanium alloy completely disintegrated, yet, government forensics teams claim to have identified 180+ bodies. This is just on 'paper'. No witnesses saw any bodies, no witnesses saw damage consistent with a 757 slamming onto the lawn and Pentagon  CNN Reporter at pentagon: "there does not appear to be any evidence that a jet-liner crashed here" Official claim the jet disintegrated due to the heat. 12-ton titanium alloy engines, wings, fuselage, all gone. In the aftermath, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 ft. crater was plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash? Why does photographic evidence overwhelmingly show that this was absolutely not the case? Why no crater? Why no skid marks? Why no burn marks? Why was the entire world deliberately mislead? http://www.911lies.org/full_size_911_pentagon_attack_damage5.htmlHow does a Boeing 757, constructed from lightweight aluminum, penetrate over 9 ft. of steel reinforced concrete with piercing clean round holes, and leave no evidence of itself? A 757 Did this? 911 pentagon video explanation- Dave VonKleist http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcoPEGRXjo |
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2008, 05:04:46 AM » |
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I ask the simple questions that you avoid again:
How do you explain every piece of debris from the aircraft in question taken out of the building?
How do you explain the bodies or the DNA from every single passenger on the plane also taken out of the building?
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Those are not questions for debate, you copy/paste the official account that we all know. nothing new No. It's not the "official account". It's the facts. The bodies were taken out and all the debris was in the building. Not an account...like your "account" of the Jews, but fact like gravity. I wanna hear you say it over and over again. It's not an "account" it is the facts. No two shits about it. CNN Reporter at pentagon:
"there does not appear to be any evidence that a jet-liner crashed here" So what? I just gave you 20+ eyewitness accounts of the aircraft hitting the building and you cling to a reporter who wasn't there who in the heat of the moment claimed "does not appear". That is now null and void in light of the eye witnesses.Official claim the jet disintegrated due to the heat. 12-ton titanium alloy engines, wings, fuselage, all gone. No. You are lying again. The engines were taken out. The seats were taken out. The landing gear was taken out. Not gone. Removed by a thousand regular joes like you and me...well like me. Like a child, no sooner is the question answered then you ask the same question again. It did not disintegrate into nothing. Tons of it were removed. Please get that through your head and quit asking the same question over and over again. It's been answered.Now you're just babbbling:In the aftermath, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 ft. crater was plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash?Why does photographic evidence overwhelmingly show that this was absolutely not the case? Wrong. What was reported was obviously incorrect. Journalists in heat of the moment and lacking any other info do that. The photographic evidence proves it is the case. Why no crater? Why no skid marks?
Because it hit the building not the ground. Why no burn marks? There were burn marks everywhere. You said so yourself.Why was the entire world deliberately mislead? By what? How? The world was not mislead. That some reporters got on air and started spouting off incorrect details that hadn't been confirmed is pretty regular - happens all the time. The "world" was not "mislead".
As usual you have nothing but babble. I have the damage. The missing plane. The bodies. The wreckage and 20+ eye witnesses to the event. You have babble.How does a Boeing 757, constructed from lightweight aluminum, penetrate over 9 ft. of steel reinforced concrete with piercing clean round holes, and leave no evidence of itself? Again you lie, or, like a muttering crazy person you absolutely refuse to accept the tons of evidence showing the aircraft wreakage. There was the wreakage, the bodies, the damage and the eye witnesses and like an idiot you claim "..and leave no evidence of itself". That's just something you say, like a child saying "nuh-uh" over and over again. It did not leave "no evidence". In fact it left literally tons of evidence.
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2008, 10:41:59 AM » |
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For what it's worth, machioveli, you'd think the Pentagon would have better security. I mean, it's the headquarters of the US Military, not a 7-11 in Compton. Right, they were expecting a 500mph plane to come crashing into the Pentagon so that is why the camera was installed there. Not to capture images as they "Stop" and pass through the gate. So then the only camera the Pentagon has watching the premises is a 1fps dinger at the enterance? Are you saying I could drive my Saturn Ion right up to the side of the source of US military information and be seen by ONE camera? C'mon. This is the Pentagon. THE PENTAGON. Am I agreeing with "The Patriot"? Absolutely not. I'm just saying I think there are legitimate questions that deserve to be asked, but people like the OP are too busy blaming the Jews or the NWO and keeping semi-rational debate from happening. I just think it's odd that the US Pentagon is watched by a camera *I* could buy at Radio Shack. This is my biggest problem with the Pentagon strike. If there is nothing to hide, then why not release ALL the video. Some people claim that it would tip off possible enemies to camera locations, but in my opinion, that is a weak argument. Cameras can be moved. Of course, maybe the reason the videos are not released is to encourage conspiracy theories. After all, if people spend a lot of time on this aspect on 911, then that is less time they have to spend on other aspects. I am still puzzled by how few people seem interested in the airport videos that have not been released. If there is nothing to hide, then why is the government hiding so much evidence? But of course, much like the OKC bombing, the people are not really that interested in the truth. As long as blood is spilled in revenge, the masses are content in allowing others to tell them what to think. |
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2008, 10:51:52 AM » |
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I am still puzzled by how few people seem interested in the airport videos that have not been released. Because with much more evidence than is needed to tell us what happened it's just a detail that isn't all that interesting. I don't need a video illustrating that when you have 2 apples and you add two apples you now have 4 apples. It would be good to see but I don't need it. This is my biggest problem with the Pentagon strike. If there is nothing to hide, then why not release ALL the video. Welp, that's where fact ends and your opinion takes over. This is my biggest problem with the Pentagon strike. If there is nothing to hide, then why not release ALL the video. What's really interesting is Abraxas wasn't addressing the releasing of video tapes at all. Ahk |
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2008, 11:01:17 AM » |
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I am still puzzled by how few people seem interested in the airport videos that have not been released. Because with much more evidence than is needed to tell us what happened it's just a detail that isn't all that interesting. I don't need a video illustrating that when you have 2 apples and you add two apples you now have 4 apples. It would be good to see but I don't need it. This is my biggest problem with the Pentagon strike. If there is nothing to hide, then why not release ALL the video. Welp, that's where fact ends and your opinion takes over. This is my biggest problem with the Pentagon strike. If there is nothing to hide, then why not release ALL the video. What's really interesting is Abraxas wasn't addressing the releasing of video tapes at all. Ahk You don't need evidence? Why? Because you trust the US government to be totally honest with us? That is pretty naive. I dun't need no stinking evidence, nope, not me. I likes having the gubbermint tell me what to think. Yep, what good is evidence anyways when I can just let Uncle Sam tell me what to think. Thinking is too hard a work anyways, I likes having others tell me what to think. If you wuz a true American you would just let the gubbermint tell you what to think too. As to Abraxas, what was he addressing? The poor quality of the only video stills that were released from the Pentagon? How could this be addressed? BY RELEASING ALL THE PENTAGON VIDEO. THAT'S HOW. Jeesh. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2008, 11:17:23 AM » |
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You don't need evidence?
Why?
Because you trust the US government to be totally honest with us? Here we go again. Why is it you need to lie? We DO have evidence. Tons and tons of it. When you need to lie to argue it's transparent and childish. It's hilarious that 100+ eyewitness statements, people who actually saw the jet crash into the pentagon, all the tons of wreckage and the bodies and you sit there telling us there's no evidence until they release the video. No that's called stupid. There is evidence. When will you finally either admit that like an adult? YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IS HOPELESSLY BRAINWASHEDDo you fucking understand? It's not "the government". It's thousands of witnesses who either saw the airplane hit the building or took the airplane and its passengers out of it. Do you get it?
Why must you continually post back proving how pathetically brainwashed you are? How inept at thinking you are? You're embarrassing yourself with statements like that.I dun't need no stinking evidence, nope, not me. I likes having the gubbermint tell me what to think. Yep, what good is evidence anyways when I can just let Uncle Sam tell me what to think. You are a pathetic stubborn and lying child, an utter moron and a fucking idiot. It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!Your broken record childish bullshit tying to paint me as someone who's "just believing whatever the government says" is just a childish jibb in light of the fact YOU KNOW YOU"RE FUCKING WRONG. It just illustrates what a complete crazy moron you really are. It's what THOUSANDS OF EYE WITNESSES SAID. Quit being a complete child and fucking admit it already. Guess I'll have to post it again since you're too fucking stupid or childish to admit it. IS THIS THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT!? -> "Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'" - "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001 "Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002 "Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 "Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 "Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said." - "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20 "We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn�t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001 "The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001 That's just a small smattering of people who have gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees), but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one firechief who states he saw some plane wreckage during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the crash, or simply don't want the attention. You can't honeslty sit there and deny the witnesses, the photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available and not one single tidbit of information at a time. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1I've fucking had it with you. Every single post you make from now on I'm going to follow you around with this cut and paste. I dont particularily care if you take off and leave for good. I hope you do. If you're not adult enough to admit when you're plainly and obviously wrong we can do better without you. Ahk |
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2008, 11:53:02 AM » |
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I drive past the pentagon's damaged side (still isn't completely fixed for some reason)...I know some people who were present there and 1 person who was driving on Highway 1 and says he saw the plane fly right into. All credible people, and I'll take their word.
some of you konspiracy people are just too far out sometimes. I try not to look like one. It must be my adolescent angst. P.S. I didn't know you lived in D.C.. I thought you were in Kansas too, for some reason... haha...thats BBW's territory I'm actually from IL and MI...I have been in AZ for the past year and will be return next week. I only lived in DC for the summer. I bounce around a lot  |
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Actually, the security aspect is a valid criticism.
Are we that incompetent?
Airliners are flying into buildings over the course of an hour and we can't shoot one down.
Even one in a no fly zone over DC?
Lack of leadership. All it took was the order to shoot them down - which never came.
As for it not being a plane - my cousin, a Marine Major stationed in the Pentagon was there. He assures me it was a plane. He's a combat fighter pilot. He knows the difference between a plane and a missile.
I'll take his word.
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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2008, 12:11:46 PM » |
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Actually, the security aspect is a valid criticism.
Are we that incompetent?
Airliners are flying into buildings over the course of an hour and we can't shoot one down. Once an airliner turns off its transponder, it becomes infinitely more difficult. Nat Geo had a pretty good program on actual conditions in NORAD as the events unfolded. |
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