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Russia Lashes Out on Missile DealBy THOM SHANKER and NICHOLAS KULISH Published: August 15, 2008 WASHINGTON — The United States and Poland reached a long-stalled deal on Thursday to place an American missile defense base on Polish territory, in the strongest reaction so far to Russia’s military operation in Georgia. Russia reacted angrily, saying that the move would worsen relations with the United States that have already been strained severely in the week since Russian troops entered separatist enclaves in Georgia, a close American ally. At a news conference on Friday, a senior Russian defense official, Col. Gen. Anatoly dNogovitsyn, suggested that Poland was making itself a target by agreeing to host the anti-missile system. Such an action “cannot go unpunished,” he said. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/world/europe/16poland.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin I thought that Russia was only doing the "civilized" thing by taking the two ethnic enclaves under their wing just like the US did to Kosovo. Not exactly right, but OK, Russia let's say your right and you get the enclaves. Why are you bickering about this missle defense system? 1. The missile defense system can only send about 10 interceptors max in order to thwart a few ballistic missiles. Russia's nuclear stock pile is well over the hundreds. I am sure that Russia is not crying about their still held strategic advantage. 2. Why is Russia so mad that the US all of a sudden is going to help Poland put some heightened military defense on the Eastern front? What was Russia planning on doing? If they stick to their 'annexation of Georgia's two enclaves" story then they don't have any reason to be mad. Maybe this just shows that Russia is eying the old USSR territories. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2008, 10:54:54 AM » |
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Then answer other question why Poland and Czech Republic? If Iran and few other Middle Eastern countries are the possible target why not to use Italy, Greece or even Turkey?
This system does not treat Russia even if all Europe will have radars and anti missile defenses all around but the fact US sets large bases near Russian border is the worrying one for any Russian.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2008, 11:08:14 AM » |
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Then answer other question why Poland and Czech Republic? If Iran and few other Middle Eastern countries are the possible target why not to use Italy, Greece or even Turkey?
This system does not treat Russia even if all Europe will have radars and anti missile defenses all around but the fact US sets large bases near Russian border is the worrying one for any Russian.
So who is the aggressor, Russia or US? The U.S. isn't going to invade Russia. After Russia's comments over this development, of course we now know what Russia's intentions are. Everybody benefits from this and Russia should not be mad unless of course the US just "blew up their plans ." Hell, like any chess game, Russia is just mad that once we had fallen into their trap, it wasn't checkmate because we had a rook up are sleeve. |
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2008, 12:19:09 PM » |
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Both are aggressors simply because any empire is an aggressor!
Vietnam and Iraq ... should i name less evident examples of US being an aggressor?
US not going to invade whom? You sound like a little kid with zero understatement in world politics and international relationships. US will invade anyone whom US government will decide they can and should.
lastly, I agree this is a chess game and so far US wins, including recent Georgian crisis.
Being US ally on this doesn't automatically make me blind for whats really going on.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 12:19:37 PM » |
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Then answer other question why Poland and Czech Republic? If Iran and few other Middle Eastern countries are the possible target why not to use Italy, Greece or even Turkey?
This system does not treat Russia even if all Europe will have radars and anti missile defenses all around but the fact US sets large bases near Russian border is the worrying one for any Russian.
So who is the aggressor, Russia or US? The U.S. isn't going to invade Russia. After Russia's comments over this development, of course we now know what Russia's intentions are. Everybody benefits from this and Russia should not be mad unless of course the US just "blew up their plans ." Hell, like any chess game, Russia is just mad that once we had fallen into their trap, it wasn't checkmate because we had a rook up are sleeve. I understand their response...we would likely respond similarly if Mexico put up a missile defense system in Russia's name. Remember the fuss in Cuba during JFKs reign? |
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 12:24:59 PM » |
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Cuban issue was little bit different since Cubans got Soviet offensive missiles, Poland is Russian neighbor which recently became anti Russian same as Baltic, Ukraine and Georgia while US clearly means defense system against some Middle Eastern countries. I see no reason in the world why would Iran attack Poland but anyways.
is that because Germans name Poles the Pigs and Muslims feel religious solidarity?
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 11:04:40 PM » |
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A Russian General just threatened Poland with a nuclear strike......this should be taken serious with the current situation in Georgia. I have been following the Russia aggression for the last year, not only in Georgia, but also here at home as well with the fly over of Guam and Hawaii with bombers. You have to ask yourself can you really trust this country.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008, 11:17:11 PM » |
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Russia is self made empire. They will either learn reality that their opinion doesn't matter that much unless you are Iran or Venezuela or else they will start confrontations with post Soviet republics and Poland expanding its borders like prior WWII. I'm not sure US is interested in Germany's role in this war though.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2008, 12:02:20 AM » |
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Russia is as much empire as Ukraine or Georgia. No more, no less. Polish russophobe hysteria is the first sign for me that Poland is going to start some sort of blitzkrieg. Just open any of their newspapers to make sure.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2008, 12:07:54 AM » |
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Russia is as much empire as Ukraine or Georgia. No more, no less. Polish russophobe hysteria is the first sign for me that Poland is going to start some sort of blitzkrieg. Just open any of their newspapers to make sure.
I hope you were intending comedy here, because it certainly doesn't match history or probable future events. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 12:14:27 AM » |
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2008, 12:55:41 AM » |
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Russia is as much empire as Ukraine or Georgia. No more, no less. Polish russophobe hysteria is the first sign for me that Poland is going to start some sort of blitzkrieg. Just open any of their newspapers to make sure.
Lucky I understand Polish so as Russian unlike you who just speaks Russian and live inside of box created by your commander Putin during his 2nd term and exposed world wide at his 3rd term ( i mean now when he is in command and Medvedev does the secretary job ). I watch news from both and yes Russian hate towards Poles is much higher than Polish towards Russians. Poles hate Russians in their hearts only while Russians express that on national TV every 3rd news report. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2008, 10:59:57 AM » |
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US not going to invade whom? You sound like a little kid with zero understatement in world politics and international relationships. US will invade anyone whom US government will decide they can and should.
Well, currently, we can't even if we wanted to. And wouldn't have to invade anybody if they played by our rules: capitalism and democracy. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2008, 11:04:30 AM » |
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Then answer other question why Poland and Czech Republic? If Iran and few other Middle Eastern countries are the possible target why not to use Italy, Greece or even Turkey?
This system does not treat Russia even if all Europe will have radars and anti missile defenses all around but the fact US sets large bases near Russian border is the worrying one for any Russian.
So who is the aggressor, Russia or US? The U.S. isn't going to invade Russia. After Russia's comments over this development, of course we now know what Russia's intentions are. Everybody benefits from this and Russia should not be mad unless of course the US just "blew up their plans ." Hell, like any chess game, Russia is just mad that once we had fallen into their trap, it wasn't checkmate because we had a rook up are sleeve. I understand their response...we would likely respond similarly if Mexico put up a missile defense system in Russia's name. Remember the fuss in Cuba during JFKs reign? The crisis was predicated upon offensive weapons, not defensive. The current situation is a defensive maneuver. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2008, 11:07:46 AM » |
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A Russian General just threatened Poland with a nuclear strike......this should be taken serious with the current situation in Georgia. I have been following the Russia aggression for the last year, not only in Georgia, but also here at home as well with the fly over of Guam and Hawaii with bombers. You have to ask yourself can you really trust this country.
That fact that Russia made the statement that it would make Poland a much greater target because of this deal makes me uneasy. Why would they say that unless they were sure they were going to do something conniving? Me thinks that since the U.S. military is overstretched that Russia thinks it can do whatever it wants now. The fact that they even think about this is what scares me. |
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