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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2008, 04:30:41 PM » |
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Then answer other question why Poland and Czech Republic? If Iran and few other Middle Eastern countries are the possible target why not to use Italy, Greece or even Turkey?
This system does not treat Russia even if all Europe will have radars and anti missile defenses all around but the fact US sets large bases near Russian border is the worrying one for any Russian.
So who is the aggressor, Russia or US? The U.S. isn't going to invade Russia. After Russia's comments over this development, of course we now know what Russia's intentions are. Everybody benefits from this and Russia should not be mad unless of course the US just "blew up their plans ." Hell, like any chess game, Russia is just mad that once we had fallen into their trap, it wasn't checkmate because we had a rook up are sleeve. I understand their response...we would likely respond similarly if Mexico put up a missile defense system in Russia's name. Remember the fuss in Cuba during JFKs reign? The crisis was predicated upon offensive weapons, not defensive. The current situation is a defensive maneuver. Do you believe the missiles placed in the Poland and Czech are solely defensive? I assure Raytheon's solutions can be tailored in any manner...in other words, defensive products and system solutions can not only be used in offensive capabilities and can also be controlled remotely. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2008, 08:55:00 PM » |
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Gojira ,
1.defensive missiles been put near Russian border
2.large radar been put broadcasting right towards Russia
This is aggressive defensive maneuver otherwise it would be act of war.
like it or not but this is a clear military and political advantage if you miss the point read few articles on how army works.
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2008, 10:04:36 AM » |
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Then answer other question why Poland and Czech Republic? If Iran and few other Middle Eastern countries are the possible target why not to use Italy, Greece or even Turkey?
This system does not treat Russia even if all Europe will have radars and anti missile defenses all around but the fact US sets large bases near Russian border is the worrying one for any Russian.
So who is the aggressor, Russia or US? The U.S. isn't going to invade Russia. After Russia's comments over this development, of course we now know what Russia's intentions are. Everybody benefits from this and Russia should not be mad unless of course the US just "blew up their plans ." Hell, like any chess game, Russia is just mad that once we had fallen into their trap, it wasn't checkmate because we had a rook up are sleeve. I understand their response...we would likely respond similarly if Mexico put up a missile defense system in Russia's name. Remember the fuss in Cuba during JFKs reign? The crisis was predicated upon offensive weapons, not defensive. The current situation is a defensive maneuver. Do you believe the missiles placed in the Poland and Czech are solely defensive? I assure Raytheon's solutions can be tailored in any manner...in other words, defensive products and system solutions can not only be used in offensive capabilities and can also be controlled remotely. I don't know. The purpose of the patriots are designed solely to be stationary surface to airs, with some mobility when not armed. I am not a weapons expert but I am sure that a particular missile like this would be completely different than say lining up Poland's borders with s2s. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2008, 10:10:25 AM » |
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Gojira ,
1.defensive missiles been put near Russian border
2.large radar been put broadcasting right towards Russia
This is aggressive defensive maneuver otherwise it would be act of war.
like it or not but this is a clear military and political advantage if you miss the point read few articles on how army works.
And what type of tactical advantage, in the realms of attack, do 1 and 2 offer? That was mainly my question because, currently from what I know, that offer nothing in the ability for the U.S. or NATO to use in launching a full scale attack. Off course the defensive capabilities of the weapons and radar systems let the Eastern Front know what is coming their way from Russia, but that is solely a defensive purpose. If Russia has no intention of invading another country, then they shouldn't be mad. Please prove to me how 1. patriots and 2. stationary radar can be used in an invasion? |
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2008, 10:56:16 AM » |
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fuck that ...
you are right there is nothing wrong about a country that not long ago was your worst enemy, supports your enemies and barricade all around you to set largest radar system and defensive missile block nearby.
common, mate ! don't be one of those Americans who point on Australia and name it Iraq
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2008, 11:05:40 AM » |
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fuck that ...
you are right there is nothing wrong about a country that not long ago was your worst enemy, supports your enemies and barricade all around you to set largest radar system and defensive missile block nearby.
common, mate ! don't be one of those Americans who point on Australia and name it Iraq
Is Russia just mad because they are sick and tired of America extending its powers beyond its borders? Cry me a river... Russia is still playing the old game where they think they are oh so important to the international community and then they pull a stunt like Georgia and don't expect consequences? Typical. |
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 02:36:53 PM » |
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fuck that ...
you are right there is nothing wrong about a country that not long ago was your worst enemy, supports your enemies and barricade all around you to set largest radar system and defensive missile block nearby.
common, mate ! don't be one of those Americans who point on Australia and name it Iraq
Is Russia just mad because they are sick and tired of America extending its powers beyond its borders? Cry me a river... Russia is still playing the old game where they think they are oh so important to the international community and then they pull a stunt like Georgia and don't expect consequences? Typical. They might be interpreting the move in a fashion that is similar to Iraq...I'm not saying I believe that, but I can see how one could interpret it that way. and RTN doesn't make the S2....we make the SM-2 for foreign countries. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2008, 10:32:41 PM » |
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fuck that ...
you are right there is nothing wrong about a country that not long ago was your worst enemy, supports your enemies and barricade all around you to set largest radar system and defensive missile block nearby.
common, mate ! don't be one of those Americans who point on Australia and name it Iraq
Is Russia just mad because they are sick and tired of America extending its powers beyond its borders? Cry me a river... Russia is still playing the old game where they think they are oh so important to the international community and then they pull a stunt like Georgia and don't expect consequences? Typical. They might be interpreting the move in a fashion that is similar to Iraq...I'm not saying I believe that, but I can see how one could interpret it that way. and RTN doesn't make the S2....we make the SM-2 for foreign countries. Yes but it took the US to thwart an Invasion by Sadaam and ten years of useless sanctions and bickering before we made a move to go into Iraq. It took them 6 hours. |
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2008, 08:55:54 AM » |
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Is Russia just mad because they are sick and tired of America extending its powers beyond its borders?
Near Russian borders, sir. You must be blind! Cry me a river...
I'm not social worker to help you out why American bases in Eastern Europe piss Russia off. Russia is still playing the old game where they think they are oh so important to the international community and then they pull a stunt like Georgia and don't expect consequences? Typical.
Georgia and Russia have long term conflict with each other over that region. Georgia is supported by my and your country because we dislike Russia and countries Russia supports. Georgia done much more crimes during this war rather Russia. Georgia was ethnically cleansing rebels from Abhazia and Osetia who prefer to be Russians. I dislike many things Russia does but American bases in Eastern Europe is too much. So trust me or not but Iraq was much more friendlier country prior American attack on it than Georgia prior Russian attack. When we all know Russia ceased fire after 5 days and you still in Iraq trying to find democratically elected oil pipe. |
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2008, 10:39:07 AM » |
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fuck that ...
you are right there is nothing wrong about a country that not long ago was your worst enemy, supports your enemies and barricade all around you to set largest radar system and defensive missile block nearby.
common, mate ! don't be one of those Americans who point on Australia and name it Iraq
Is Russia just mad because they are sick and tired of America extending its powers beyond its borders? Cry me a river... Russia is still playing the old game where they think they are oh so important to the international community and then they pull a stunt like Georgia and don't expect consequences? Typical. They might be interpreting the move in a fashion that is similar to Iraq...I'm not saying I believe that, but I can see how one could interpret it that way. and RTN doesn't make the S2....we make the SM-2 for foreign countries. s2s? I meant surface to surface, generally. Sorry.  |
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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2008, 11:55:57 AM » |
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Is Russia just mad because they are sick and tired of America extending its powers beyond its borders?
Near Russian borders, sir. You must be blind! Cry me a river...
I'm not social worker to help you out why American bases in Eastern Europe piss Russia off. Russia is still playing the old game where they think they are oh so important to the international community and then they pull a stunt like Georgia and don't expect consequences? Typical.
Georgia and Russia have long term conflict with each other over that region. Georgia is supported by my and your country because we dislike Russia and countries Russia supports. Georgia done much more crimes during this war rather Russia. Georgia was ethnically cleansing rebels from Abhazia and Osetia who prefer to be Russians. I dislike many things Russia does but American bases in Eastern Europe is too much. So trust me or not but Iraq was much more friendlier country prior American attack on it than Georgia prior Russian attack. When we all know Russia ceased fire after 5 days and you still in Iraq trying to find democratically elected oil pipe. Too much for who? Russia? All a country that has these bases has to do is tell us to leave just as Japan has and thats a fact. Why will they not kick us out? For one, Bases in Europe are the same as here, you close them so does the shops and economy around it. Second, they know the exact reason why the troops are there.....Russia. The presence of troops thwart any atttempt by Russia. Just as we have done in S. Korea. Despite how friendly you think Russia is, NATO was built exclusively for Russia. Why, because they still have the same ol Soviet Union mentality, just a different name. As for the "ethic cleansing" part you cry me a river. What I see is a country that wanted to crack down on criminals, yes criminals that Russia was protecting. S. Ossetia is not a country but a part of Geogia that Russia has troops in to cover its on ass, Georgia said enough and wanted to put an end to it. And for Mother Russia....you can't call yourself a peacekeeper if you supply one of the conflicting sides with weapons. |
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