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Author Topic: Whoops, Bush's Ignorance Of Geography Creates A Major Screw Up In Georgia  (Read 911 times)
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« on: August 15, 2008, 04:45:59 PM »

Most know geography has never been a great Bush attribute.  Didn't seem to learn too much about military tactics on that bar stool in Alabama during his period of service.
And this week he has shown he wasn't a very good judge of character when he looked into Putin's eye and decided he was a good and trustworthy man. 

It appears he's done it again. Remember those Naval forces he was sending to assist in Georgia? Once more in ignorance, he appears to have bitten off more than he could
chew, as we real Texan's call such a foul up.  Before he began promising such action, maybe he should have at least consulted his Pentagon. Then this is a bit different than
the "victory" landing on the Lincoln.

Posted on Fri, Aug. 15, 2008

Another flub? Bush vowed Navy aid to Georgia too soon

Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: August 15, 2008 08:12:05 AM

WASHINGTON — President Bush Wednesday promised that U.S. naval forces would deliver humanitarian aid to war-torn Georgia before his administration had received approval from Turkey, which controls naval access to the Black Sea, or the Pentagon had planned a seaborne operation, U.S. officials said Thursday.

As of late Thursday, Ankara, a NATO ally, hadn't cleared any U.S. naval vessels to steam to Georgia through the Bosporus and the Dardanelles, the narrow straits that connect the Mediterranean and the Black Seas, the officials said. Under the 1936 Montreaux Convention, countries must notify Turkey before sending warships through the straits.

Pentagon officials told McClatchy that they were increasingly dubious that any U.S. Navy vessels would join the aid operation, in large part because the U.S.-based hospital ships likely to go, the USNS Comfort and the USNS Mercy, would take weeks to arrive.

"The president was writing checks to the Georgians without knowing what he had in the bank," said a senior administration official.

"The president got out in front of the planning when he talked publicly about using naval forces," said a second senior administration official. "At that point we need to look at treaty obligations, our bilateral relations with the Turks and others, waterway restrictions and what kind of ships might be appropriate and usable — something like the Comfort or something already in the Med (Mediterranean)."

The U.S. officials requested anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly, because the issue is diplomatically sensitive or because the administration takes a dim view of officials who reveal its internal deliberations.

The White House and the Turkish Embassy didn't immediately return telephone calls.

Bush's pledge to send aid-carrying naval ships prompted Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to proclaim that U.S. warships would break what he claimed — inaccurately — was a Russian naval blockade of Georgia's Black Sea coast, and that U.S. forces would take control of his country's ports.

While Saakashvili either exaggerated or misunderstood Bush's announcement, a U.S. failure to fulfill the president's pledge could prompt other former Soviet republics and Soviet bloc nations to question whether they can count on U.S. support if Russia targets them.

"We think about Turkey when we realize we need them for something," said Mark Parris of The Brookings Institution, who served as U.S. ambassador to Turkey between 1997 and 2000. "This could very well be a case of that."

Bush on Wednesday said he was launching a "vigorous and ongoing" humanitarian mission in which U.S. military aircraft and ships would bring aid to beleaguered Georgia.

The first U.S. C-17 cargo plane arrived in Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, with tents and other supplies later that day.

U.S. officials said the Turks hadn't cleared U.S. naval vessels to transit the Bosporus and the Dardanelles.

"The Turks haven't been helpful," said a State Department official. "They are being sluggish and unresponsive."

The Russian invasion of Georgia has almost certainly unnerved Turkey because it has huge energy and trade interests in adjacent Central Asia.

Turkey also may be reluctant to jeopardize the $24 billion in annual trade it does with Russia, which provides around 70 percent of its natural gas supplies. The Turkish Navy also shares the Black Sea with Russia's powerful Black Sea Fleet, which in part has prompted Ankara in recent years to restrict U.S. and NATO naval operations and exercises there.

The current situation echoes the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, when the Bush administration tried to send thousands of U.S. troops into northern Iraq through Turkey — a Muslim nation where most people opposed the war — without first obtaining Ankara's permission.

The Turkish parliament refused to allow the United States to use its territory.

Nancy A. Youssef contributed to this article.

More from McClatchy:

U.S. won't intervene in Georgia, leaving Russia in control

Georgia's bitter defeat plays out on road to capital

Additional articles are on the link.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/48293.html
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2008, 05:37:53 PM »

Perhaps the bandwidth would be better spent condemning the destroying of Georgian territory. With some creative thinking you can probably blame this on Bush too.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24184638-12377,00.html

ps: Obama isn't exactly knocking it out the park with his commentary on the crisis so I would think about sitting on the sidelines with my comments.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2008, 05:58:21 PM »

No, neue.

Bush is truly stupid to think Turkey would do anything to help us hurt the Russians.

"In 2004, trade between Turkey and Russia was worth some $11 billion. By the end of August 2005, this figure reached almost $10 billion, and it is expected by both Moscow and Ankara to increase to $25 billion by 2007. Russia is Turkey's second-largest trading partner after Germany, while Turkey is Russia's 14th trade partner."
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2008, 06:01:58 PM »

We're asking to ship in aid, not hurt Russia.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 06:19:02 PM »

... now you're just being coy.

If we send in blankets... do you really think we're not sending in M16's too?

Russia Seizes Arsenal Of US Weapons In Georgia - Military
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 06:56:02 PM »

Now wait a second...we may be or we may not be. If they are an allay, then it's entirely possible we sold those weapons some time ago.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 07:09:19 PM »

And if Georgia is still our ally and Russia is still our enemy it would be silly to think we're sitting around twittling our thumbs...
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2008, 10:42:43 AM »

While such as neue regel, enjoy fighting wars with their keyboards, even his choice for Patton's new CIC's supporters can't get their stories straight. Putin has Bush by the short hairs and there is nothing he can do about it. An unfortunate situation, but reality.  One more foulup by the "leader of the free world," when the choice was made to tweak the bear, who is in economic ascendency while the U.S. languishes in dependency by the decision to return to Reagan's "star wars" and provide them to the "bought and bribed" essentially on Russia's borders. It's all connected, but digress.  The "old warrior" has his own problems when his own supporters can't get it straight.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2008, 11:01:37 AM »

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While such as neue regel, enjoy fighting wars with their keyboards, even his choice for Patton's new CIC's supporters can't get their stories straight. Putin has Bush by the short hairs and there is nothing he can do about it. An unfortunate situation, but reality.  One more foulup by the "leader of the free world," when the choice was made to tweak the bear, who is in economic ascendency while the U.S. languishes in dependency by the decision to return to Reagan's "star wars" and provide them to the "bought and bribed" essentially on Russia's borders. It's all connected, but digress.  The "old warrior" has his own problems when his own supporters can't get it straight.

So many words to say nothing.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2008, 11:21:56 AM »

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While such as neue regel, enjoy fighting wars with their keyboards, even his choice for Patton's new CIC's supporters can't get their stories straight. Putin has Bush by the short hairs and there is nothing he can do about it. An unfortunate situation, but reality.  One more foulup by the "leader of the free world," when the choice was made to tweak the bear, who is in economic ascendency while the U.S. languishes in dependency by the decision to return to Reagan's "star wars" and provide them to the "bought and bribed" essentially on Russia's borders. It's all connected, but digress.  The "old warrior" has his own problems when his own supporters can't get it straight.

So many words to say nothing.

At least you have the gift of being concise while saying nothing.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 11:36:52 AM »

thanks!  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2008, 12:31:29 PM »

LOL, IamMe, I thought a post of a youtube with pictures might be more appropriate than reading a variety of comments related to neue regel's past choice of Bush and current choice of McCain to become the "leader of the free world."  laugh

There are ample long opinion pieces that would suffice I might have posted, but reading sometimes is not an attribute of those such as neue regel. 

But I think I'll stay with one more bit of animation showing the folly of neue regels choices, but at a different location. While some like neue regel on other threads concern themselves with the old, like me, living in their Social Security "lap of luxury" this is where the real budget goes. Another example of Patton's CIC's screw ups.  Enjoy or not by turning up the sound and clicking on the link.

http://www.markfiore.com/private_contracting_games

 
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2008, 12:34:46 PM »

Again, more flopping around. Are you trying to make a point or trying to wing intelligence?
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2008, 01:12:05 PM »

Again, more flopping around. Are you trying to make a point or trying to wing intelligence?

Just playing with you neue regel.  laugh Where's your sense of humor?  Sometimes, it's a bit of fun to play with lockstep Bush/Cheney/McCain bots.  But looks like not atypically, you've decided to rely on a personal insult instead of dealing the the topic of the post nor the
animations.

I've never noted you to be a reader of really pithy POVs while instead you would prefer to rant about the glories of the policies and practices of GOP politicians who have brought such pitiful results to the Georgians as the Bush screwup that was the topic of the post.

The screw up of the Naval rescue was just classic for Bush. Now you and others would like to
replace him with a militarist "hero" who needs help to even understand the difference in other
locations such as the necessity for Lieberman to take his arm and explain the difference between Shia and Sunni at another screwed up location: Iraq.

Not surprising you would have missed any points that might not reflect positively on the criminal cabal you support or one not all that different you would replace them with.


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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2008, 01:34:36 PM »

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Now you and others would like to replace him with a militarist "hero" who needs help to even understand the difference in other locations such as the necessity for Lieberman to take his arm and explain the difference between Shia and Sunni at another screwed up location: Iraq.

Since my choices are between two, I will have to likely side with a man with SOMETHING on his resume as opposed to a man whose own supporters can't name a single life accomplishment on his resume.

Or I might stay home.
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