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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2008, 05:42:11 AM » |
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All of what we do in the Middle East is placated on the US's energy future. Agreed and one of the most convincing arguments for finding domestic energy supplies that I've ever heard. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2008, 08:13:08 AM » |
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How about we research solar and nuclear energy and save a couple billion dollars?
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2008, 09:59:19 AM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2008, 12:37:45 PM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2008, 01:35:35 PM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. of the world???  |
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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2008, 02:12:26 PM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. of the world??? That's what I said. Do you disagree? |
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 06:47:23 AM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. of the world??? That's what I said. Do you disagree? I don't really get the context of how you're using that statement. Explain. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2008, 11:36:17 AM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. of the world??? That's what I said. Do you disagree? I don't really get the context of how you're using that statement. Explain. The US regularly ignores international law, and invades countries with impunity to access resources and markets, sponsors terrorism, punishes disobedience even (or perhaps especially) of democratic governments with little regard for morality or human rights. This is the behavior of a criminal state, hence the "gangsters of the world" remark. |
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2008, 12:21:12 PM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. of the world??? That's what I said. Do you disagree? I don't really get the context of how you're using that statement. Explain. The US regularly ignores international law, and invades countries with impunity to access resources and markets, sponsors terrorism, punishes disobedience even (or perhaps especially) of democratic governments with little regard for morality or human rights. This is the behavior of a criminal state, hence the "gangsters of the world" remark. You make it sound like the U.S. is (was) the only one. |
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2008, 12:23:40 PM » |
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No... but the US is no better then the ones they criticise.
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2008, 12:27:17 PM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. of the world??? That's what I said. Do you disagree? I don't really get the context of how you're using that statement. Explain. The US regularly ignores international law, and invades countries with impunity to access resources and markets, sponsors terrorism, punishes disobedience even (or perhaps especially) of democratic governments with little regard for morality or human rights. This is the behavior of a criminal state, hence the "gangsters of the world" remark. You make it sound like the U.S. is (was) the only one. I neverr said that. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2008, 12:30:24 PM » |
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But it sure paints a different picture doesn't it?
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2008, 12:36:23 PM » |
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But it sure paints a different picture doesn't it?
Not really. Unless, "the others were doing it too" (a standard schoolboy excuse) is acceptable when it comes to international affairs. |
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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2008, 06:18:37 AM » |
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Most of the world hates the US, not because we are free and wealthy. But because the US always does one thing ...we intervene. I agree. All countries need to take care of themselves, including us. No, that is not the point, and that is not a moral way to view the world. Maybe, but it's not just one country's job to be the police of the world and to play God, we were not, as a nation, supposed to be for intervention and everything. Gangsters of the world would be more appropriate. of the world??? That's what I said. Do you disagree? I don't really get the context of how you're using that statement. Explain. The US regularly ignores international law, and invades countries with impunity to access resources and markets, sponsors terrorism, punishes disobedience even (or perhaps especially) of democratic governments with little regard for morality or human rights. This is the behavior of a criminal state, hence the "gangsters of the world" remark. Well yeah that makes plenty of sense, I mean there hasn't been a real just cause for intervention of the U.S. since WWII and we brought that partially on ourselves. |
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2008, 08:01:44 AM » |
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I read a lot of Chomsky... so I think, in the end, US intervention is short sighted, dangerous and tends to do more harm then good if you simply extropolate beyond the next 6 months.
Only problem with that,,,well actually 2 problems.... 1. the citizens of the US can't think past next week much less 6 months and 2. Politicians can't think past at least the next election |
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