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« on: August 19, 2008, 08:57:48 AM »

This short article is a good example of how corporations challenge labor interests, and how it relates to the political process. Apparently Wal-Mart has been discouraging its employees from voting for Barack Obama, as they fear that his reforms will empower workers and threaten their wealth. This is of course a violation of America's democratic values.

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Several American labour groups have filed a complaint against Wal-Mart for instructing its employees to vote against Obama and other Democrats. I first got wind of this electoral controversy a couple of weeks ago through The Hamilton Spectator, which printed an Associated Press story that succinctly outlines Wal-Mart’s actions and the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) against which these actions are directed.

Wal-Mart spokesmen do not deny that company officials told employees how to vote. Instead, they claim that these officials were “acting without approval.” An editorial to be printed in tomorrow’s New York Times appropriately pans this defence.

Canadian trade unionists should pay attention to this episode. Some components of the Democratic agenda, such as banning the permanent replacement of striking workers, would simply grant unionized Americans basic protections that unionized Canadians have long taken for granted. However, by permitting card-check certification, EFCA would set the procedural barriers to union organizing lower in the US than in most Canadian provinces.

EFCA also provides for first-contract arbitration and mediation as well as stronger penalties for violations of the existing National Labor Relations Act. Since Obama has personally sponsored EFCA, there is good reason to expect that a Democratic victory will result in its implementation.

http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2008/08/16/walmart-employee-free-choice-act/
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 11:36:48 AM »

Wal-Mart spokesmen do not deny that company officials told employees how to vote. Instead, they claim that these officials were “acting without approval.” An editorial to be printed in tomorrow’s New York Times appropriately pans this defence.

Sounds familiar.

I am sure if another public outcry was made of this, like another high cost of wal-mart video: part 2 - The threat on American Freedom, CEO Lee Scott would immediately make a change.  But as long as no one objects and no public image damages, wal-mart will continue claiming that their employees were "acting without approval."

I must say that it is a valid argument.  Just like their labor negotiations and discriminations, (which mostly come from the west coast no less) are only mutually exclusive cases in seperate areas.  So I would have to continue to note that this is another peice of sensationalism.  Not every Wal-Mart does this.  Only those specific ones did.

However, I would like to know why each of those stores did it?  Maybe a regional manager needs to get fired?  The fact that it isn't a national problem is what makes one scratch the head.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 12:19:15 PM »

This is one of the best reasons for voting Obama that I have heard (that is not sarcasm BTW).
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 12:27:18 PM »

This is one of the best reasons for voting Obama that I have heard (that is not sarcasm BTW).

If your a Wal-Mart employee or just anyone?
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 12:49:45 PM »

This is one of the best reasons for voting Obama that I have heard (that is not sarcasm BTW).

If your a Wal-Mart employee or just anyone?

Anyone, unless you are on the board of directors of some big company.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 12:52:53 PM »

This is one of the best reasons for voting Obama that I have heard (that is not sarcasm BTW).

If your a Wal-Mart employee or just anyone?

Anyone, unless you are on the board of directors of some big company.

Eh...

I can only stretch that to un- or low-skilled workers who need some sort of bargaining power.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 12:59:16 PM »

This is one of the best reasons for voting Obama that I have heard (that is not sarcasm BTW).

If your a Wal-Mart employee or just anyone?

Anyone, unless you are on the board of directors of some big company.

Eh...

I can only stretch that to un- or low-skilled workers who need some sort of bargaining power.

I'd stretch it to "anyone interested in social justice", but that's just me.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 01:36:26 PM »

Th NY Time editorial mentioned in the Canadian article agrees. As do I. One more good reason to not shop at Wal-Mart other than the often lack of any products that haven't come from China.  Old Sam must be twirling in his grave for that reason only. His expressed goal
was to buy and sell American.

August 17, 2008
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Mixing Politics and Wal-Mart

It is hardly news that Wal-Mart will do whatever it takes to keep unions out of its stores, from closing down a unionized outlet to firing pro-union workers. The National Labor Relations Board has already ruled several times that Wal-Mart has violated the law by retaliating against workers for supporting a union.

Facing the prospect that union-friendly Democrats could win both the White House and Congress, the retail giant is now turning its attention to this year’s election.

Last week, several labor groups filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, accusing Wal-Mart of violating election rules. They acted after The Wall Street Journal reported that thousands of Wal-Mart store managers and department heads had been called to mandatory meetings and told that if Democrats won in November they would likely pass a law to make it easier to unionize companies. According to The Journal, Wal-Mart executives warned that could force the company to cut jobs, while workers would be forced to pay union dues and might have to go on strike.

Telling workers who are paid by the hour — Wal-Mart department supervisors are hourly workers — how to vote is prohibited under the Federal Election Campaign Act.

Wal-Mart acknowledges that it summoned employees around the country to warn them about the Employee Free Choice Act, which would allow unions to organize companies if more than half the workers signed cards agreeing to join, dispensing with the need for a secret ballot. But in a memo to managers, Bill Simon, the chief operating officer, said that any executive who might have appeared to be suggesting how to vote was “acting without approval.” Employees, a spokesman said, were merely told which members of Congress supported the legislation.

The vast majority on that list are Democrats, including Senator Barack Obama, who co-sponsored the bill.

The Federal Election Commission should investigate the allegations swiftly and aggressively. The “rogue executive” defense is a well-trodden excuse that should fool no one. Providing workers with a list of members of Congress who, in Wal-Mart’s view, support bad legislation that would worsen workers lives seems indistinguishable from telling them who to vote against.

Even if the F.E.C. eventually rules against Wal-Mart, the case underscores what a paltry deterrent election law provides. According to legal experts, the rules call for fines of only a few thousand dollars per violation. Even if thousands of violations were committed, the fine would amount to pocket change for Wal-Mart.

The F.E.C. needs to tighten its rules. Companies like Wal-Mart need to respect those rules and their workers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17sun2.html?pagewanted=print
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 01:41:16 PM »

This is one of the best reasons for voting Obama that I have heard (that is not sarcasm BTW).

If your a Wal-Mart employee or just anyone?

Anyone, unless you are on the board of directors of some big company.

Eh...

I can only stretch that to un- or low-skilled workers who need some sort of bargaining power.

I'd stretch it to "anyone interested in social justice", but that's just me.

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[/quote]According to The Journal, Wal-Mart executives warned that could force the company to cut jobs, while workers would be forced to pay union dues and might have to go on strike.[/quote]

Social Justice, huh? While a few union members get to benefit, every other employee is thrown out onto the curb.   
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 02:03:18 PM »

LOL why doesn't this suprise me?
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 02:17:30 PM »

Nor me. It has been the more than standard excuse of the corporate state for as long as I can remember. Gojira, recommend some U.S. History to go along with the economics courses. One based on the many improvements that all U.S. workers enjoy today based on the ability to
organize. 

I'm not going to suggest that some of the huge U.S. unions do not have corrupt leadership.
They do. But one of the best IMHO who look after workers such as Wal-Mart employees is
United Food and Commercial Workers.  I'm not enthralled with flying on non-union airlines, but
today with the whole lot of majors with the exception of non-union Southwest are outsourcing
their maintenance to locations in S. America and China, in that case it makes little difference.     
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 02:26:42 PM »

Nor me. It has been the more than standard excuse of the corporate state for as long as I can remember. Gojira, recommend some U.S. History to go along with the economics courses. One based on the many improvements that all U.S. workers enjoy today based on the ability to organize. 

I'm not going to suggest that some of the huge U.S. unions do not have corrupt leadership.
They do. But one of the best IMHO who look after workers such as Wal-Mart employees is
United Food and Commercial Workers.  I'm not enthralled with flying on non-union airlines, but
today with the whole lot of majors with the exception of non-union Southwest are outsourcing
their maintenance to locations in S. America and China, in that case it makes little difference.     

I think I am going to save my self the trouble and stay out of the argument, especially arguing in favor of the likes of Wal-Mart.  I am not going to sit here and write a dissertation about how labor unions are now outdated and are concurrently run as a cultural necessity rather than an actual productive outlet.

My initial glib remark was against Iamme's idea of "social justice" which like always is a two-sided coin, sometimes costing more than it tries to benefit.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »

This short article is a good example of how corporations challenge labor interests, and how it relates to the political process. Apparently Wal-Mart has been discouraging its employees from voting for Barack Obama, as they fear that his reforms will empower workers and threaten their wealth. This is of course a violation of America's democratic values.

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Wal-Mart and US Politics

Posted by Erin Weir
August 16th, 2008

Several American labour groups have filed a complaint against Wal-Mart for instructing its employees to vote against Obama and other Democrats. I first got wind of this electoral controversy a couple of weeks ago through The Hamilton Spectator, which printed an Associated Press story that succinctly outlines Wal-Mart’s actions and the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) against which these actions are directed.

Wal-Mart spokesmen do not deny that company officials told employees how to vote. Instead, they claim that these officials were “acting without approval.” An editorial to be printed in tomorrow’s New York Times appropriately pans this defence.

Canadian trade unionists should pay attention to this episode. Some components of the Democratic agenda, such as banning the permanent replacement of striking workers, would simply grant unionized Americans basic protections that unionized Canadians have long taken for granted. However, by permitting card-check certification, EFCA would set the procedural barriers to union organizing lower in the US than in most Canadian provinces.

EFCA also provides for first-contract arbitration and mediation as well as stronger penalties for violations of the existing National Labor Relations Act. Since Obama has personally sponsored EFCA, there is good reason to expect that a Democratic victory will result in its implementation.

http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2008/08/16/walmart-employee-free-choice-act/


Big deal....come on people votes are confidential. I would lie to these idiots and say I will vote for who they want and vote the way I want. They will never know. But I do think that companies should stay out of promoting candidates. Unfortunately this is not against the law unless you are military. Companies can persuay voters to vote for certain people, it only becomes illegal in they install consequences for not doing it. But like I said who knows who you voted for unless you tell them.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2008, 05:08:45 PM »

Always low wages, always.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2008, 01:40:48 PM »

Social Justice, huh? While a few union members get to benefit, every other employee is thrown out onto the curb.   

Anyone can join a union if they wish, so I don't quite understand your "a few union members get to benefit" comment. Every worker benefits from union activities, and the proposals mentioned are designed to protect workers, regardless of what Wal-Mart says to scare its employees.
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