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dattaswami
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« on: December 25, 2008, 07:43:09 AM »

Veda says that God alone does miracles
This world is just imagination of God.


Miracles are done by God and not by individual soul (Jeeva). Veda says that God alone does miracles (Satyakamah…). The logic in this point is that this entire creation is just His will only. This world is just imagination of God. You can do any impossible thing in your imaginary world. You can also make somebody created by you in the imaginary world to do anything. That somebody is able to do anything due to your will only. Hence, if somebody is doing a miracle, that somebody is not doing the miracle. God, the creator of the world is doing miracle through him. The will power is the material of your imaginary world and is responsible for any action that is natural as well as supernatural. Hence, for realized souls, who see every action as the will of God only, the miracle is not a special action at all.

For realized souls, not only the actions but also the entire material of the creation is also His will only. In such case they do not distinguish matter, energy, work and miracle. Only ignorant people distinguish miracle from ordinary action that can be done by human beings. They think that the human being can do such and such work and God is not involved in it. For them only, miracle is necessary, which is the action of God separately distinguished from the action of human being. This is the reason for the realized souls not giving any importance to a miracle since they see every action and even the entire world also as the action of God only.
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2008, 01:34:38 PM »

Doesn't that make everything pointless? If every action in the universe occurs because of God's will, that means there can be no morality or personal autonomy, since every action is preordained by God.
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2008, 07:23:38 PM »

Doesn't that make everything pointless? If every action in the universe occurs because of God's will, that means there can be no morality or personal autonomy, since every action is preordained by God.



The Lord is the writer of the constitution and He knows whom to punish. Some times you see punishment of innocent person. You think that the injustice is ruling. In the kingdom of God only the justice is the ruler by the grace of God. When the innocent is punished, the punishment was of some bad deed done by him previously and the date of the punishment coincided with the present incident accidentally.

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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2008, 07:25:25 PM »

Doesn't that make everything pointless? If every action in the universe occurs because of God's will, that means there can be no morality or personal autonomy, since every action is preordained by God.

The Lord is controlling all the souls as per Veda “Aatmeshwaram”, which means that all the souls are ruled by the Lord. Gita also says the same “Bhuthanaam Eeswarah”. But this does not mean that there is no independence for the soul. When the king rules the kingdom, all the people in that kingdom are independent in their activities, but they are within the rules of the king. Thus a short span of independence in the human life exists under the control and supervision of the Lord. A cat caught a rat by its jaws. It leaves the rat after a bite for a short span of time. In that span the rat gets independence and runs in any side as it likes. But the cat is watching the rat and catches it again whenever the rat is out of the limits of the supervision. Similarly the Lord called “Kaala” (death) catches a human being and bites. The bite is the illness of the human being.

The repeated diseases are the repeated bites of the ‘Kaala” or the Lord. During the bite the rat looses completely its independence. Similarly any human being, which is attacked by the disease becomes a patient and looses its independence completely. The cat plays with the rat for sometime like this and finally swallowes the rat. Similarly, the human being is swallowed by the Lord at the end. The whole creation itself is like a rat for the cat like Lord, which is told in Brahmasutra “Atta Charaachara Grahanaat”. Thus the short span of independence of human beings under the supervision of the overall controlling Lord, creates the full game and entertainment for the Lord. The entertainment is the basic reason of the creation by the Lord as said in Veda (Ekaaki Na Ramate) and as said in Brahmasutra (Lokavattu). Within the limits of the supervision of the cat, the rat will receive the result of the direction in which it runs.

 In one direction there may be fire and the rat may receive the heat. In another direction there may be cold water and the rat will receive the coolness in that direction. The rat is independent to receive the result of the direction and has full independence to go in any direction. The final death of the rat shows that the rat is under the control of the cat during its choice of direction also, which is not interfered by the cat. Similarly the human life is with full of independence but the final end proves that the independence is under the control of the Lord. Yet, since there was no interference of the Lord during the human life, the human being receives the results according to its actions. Thus the “whole game is perfectly justified in any angle”.
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2008, 12:06:28 PM »

OK, so do humans have the freedom to defy God's will?
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2008, 07:36:13 PM »

OK, so do humans have the freedom to defy God's will?

Ofcourse but it eventually will lead to its own destruction.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2008, 01:01:10 PM »

OK, so do humans have the freedom to defy God's will?

Ofcourse but it eventually will lead to its own destruction.

Ok, but how does that work with the idea that nothing happens except through the will of God?
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2008, 06:54:51 PM »

OK, so do humans have the freedom to defy God's will?

Ofcourse but it eventually will lead to its own destruction.

Ok, but how does that work with the idea that nothing happens except through the will of God?

It is also by God will only anything happens in this world. You must realize that the whole world is the kingdom of God as stated by Jesus. Any injustice will be punished by Him and you need not worry about it. Your view of the punishment is revenge but His view of punishment is to transform the soul. If somebody has stolen your money, don’t pray to God to punish that person. Everything is recorded by Him unlike the courts which register the case only when a complaint is given.

The enquiry by God takes place immediately. Sometimes you find no punishment from God and you are scolding God. The silence of God means that the enquiry was completed and the judgment was “no punishment”.  In the previous birth, you might have stolen money from that person and today you paid along with the compound interest. In this case there cannot be punishment and the enquiry was over. Since you do not know this, you mistake God for His silence.

Suppose such background is not there, then you will get your money with interest in some other way which is compensated by God. That person will lose the money along with the interest. You will see it with your eyes. But suppose you cursed that person with revenge, you will receive the punishment in addition to the above. Kauravas stole a share of wealth of Pandavas and finally they lost their whole kingdom. Pandavas gained the total kingdom which is double the share. But Draupadi was cursing Kauravas aspiring always for the revenge.

 She was also punished for this as she lost all her children. Therefore, we should not scold even our enemy even by words or mind. God takes care of the entire case. If the injustice wins, it is a black mark for His administration only. He is well aware of it and will take the necessary action. He is more serious in your case than yourself.  Unlike the court, He does not require registration of case or witness or advocate. When Hiranyakashipu tortured Prahlada, Prahalada kept silent and did not curse him in any way.

The Lord took very serious action in that case. Thus you have to keep God at every step as the basis in the worldly life also (Pravrutti). Jesus told that unless you excuse others, you cannot be excused by God. Your enemy will be punished if he does not excuse others. Such behaviour which indicates the full faith on God at every step of the life is divine Dharma in Pravrutti or Nivrtutti. 
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