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Reaganite
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« on: August 22, 2008, 09:11:47 PM »

Bad pick in my opinion...

A NE liberal and a Mid West ultra liberal...

McCain has to make the smart pick here and Grab Lieberman or Bloomberg either one of thois enad he raps this up by October vs these two.

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 09:19:42 PM »

Biden’s voting record is in line with many Senate Democrats: He voted in 2003 to authorize President Bush to use military force in Iraq, and he also voted against the Bush tax cuts and against Republican Supreme Court nominees William Rehnquist, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts and Samuel Alito.

He has run twice for the Democratic presidential nomination, once in 1988 and again this year.

He was forced to exit the 1988 race after he was caught having borrowed portions of a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock — without giving him credit.

In 1987, as the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Biden managed the Senate’s rejection of Bork, a conservative Supreme Court nominee by Ronald Reagan.

But some Democrats still blame Biden for allowing Thomas to win confirmation to the high court in 1991.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26010055/
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 09:21:40 PM »

Well ...my oh my ...BONZO has it all worked out...
 Now he can concentrate on the details ,like the paperwork;
 
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2008, 09:51:05 PM »

LOL, he was not my first choice, but all of the reasons Reagnite lists are in his favor IMHO. I had decided anyone,
but Hillary which though maybe irrational was my greatest fear.  May take the wind out of the Clinton sails for their big show at the convention. 

So now the MSM can start to snarking and working to express any negative opinion, but at last the constant speculation is at an end.  Wonder how many talking heads had be dragged back to work on a Friday night?

Wonder if McCain will also pick a fellow Senator?  What pair he and AIPAC Joe would make. One hurdle over, reality is it will make not difference to those on Main Street as it is almost Sept., Labor Day soon and it remains
"It's the economy stupid."

FED is actually admitting inflaction, but for the purpose of raising interest rates? That should LOL help help McCain. laugh

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2008, 10:10:04 PM »

A good pick and will pose a huge challenge to the McCain campaign.  Biden certainly fills the gaps of the "lack there of" in Obama's foreign policy resume.  Biden seems to have a loud mouth though and Obama needs to overpower that if he wants the team to work. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2008, 05:51:01 AM »

I am looking forward to a VP debate, if they have one this year. Biden is pretty good on his feet, and he can speak pretty plainly and clearly, as bespeaks his working class background.

Here's how Biden responded to some typical nonsense from Bush, when, speaking before the Knesset, Bush said that “some people” believe the United States “should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

"We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said. "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

Here's Biden's response:

“This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement.”

Democrats have interpreted the comments as an attack on Sen. Barack Obama, and Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that the president was out of line.

He is the guy who has weakened us,” he said. “He has increased the number of terrorists in the world. It is his policies that have produced this vulnerability that the U.S. has. It’s his [own] intelligence community [that] has pointed this out, not me.”

Biden noted that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have both suggested that the United States ought to find a way to talk more with its enemies.

"If he thinks this is appeasement, is he going to come back and fire his own cabinet?” Biden asked. “Is he going to fire Condi Rice?”

Yep. Looking forward to the VP debates.

To somewhat balance Reaganite's comments, here's an analysis by Mark Halperin from earlier this week:
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"Biden is deeply thoughtful, serious, passionate, experienced, highly knowledgeable, and incredibly sensible and clear when talking about major issues. He has a vast and creative understanding of politics and policy, a sharp mind, and a sincere heart. He's totally ready to be president. Together, Obama and Biden would represent the best of the last 30 years of the Democratic Party, and the hope for the next 30.

"Biden may be a ridiculous, overbearing blowhard, and he'll doubtless make foolish blunders and imprudent comments if he's on the ticket, but he'd still be an excellent campaigner, surrogate, and debater. He'd be thrilled at the prospect of being vice president (his own aspirations aside), and grateful and proud to have been chosen -- he'd work hard to make Obama look good, and not deliberately outshine him -- plus the chemistry will be appealing, and they genuinely like and respect each other, which will be winningly apparent.

"Also, America [Reaganites excluded, I guess] is no longer a place where citizens care about plagiarism or hair plugs. A Biden pick would immediately elevate Obama's gravitas, give him a semblance of humility, delight the media, and reassure the nation that a grownup is involved. Democrats would be simultaneously relieved and apprehensive, but they'd be pleased with the choice overall. Plus, Biden is Catholic, is a Washington insider in a good way (a hardworking man of the people unchanged by three decades inside the Beltway), and has an endearingly tragic history with a happy ending."

From: thepage.time.com/memo-from-x-to-barack-obama-about-biden/
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2008, 06:05:03 AM »

McCain's camp immediately produced a TV commercial showing Biden saying that he'd be proud to serve in a McCain administration...

...Biden said it in an interview while on Comedy Central.

And, he was talking about the 2005 version of McCain, which we all know, was about 100 position reversals from today's version of McCain. That McCain wouldn't want to serve with today's McCain.

I wonder if McCain is going to choose Romney? They had quite a few nasty exchanges:

10-21-07 Republican Debate:  Senator John McCain of Arizona: “Governor Romney, you’ve been spending the last year trying to fool people about your record,” Mr. McCain said. “I don’t want you to start fooling them about mine.”

Well, maybe McCain's reconsidered. Maybe that's exactly what he needs his running mate to do.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2008, 07:44:47 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8&e

Thats the commercial.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2008, 04:00:39 PM »

Looking at Biden's political history, he seems very compatible for Obama. A progressive with a working class background and foreign policy experience is what Obama needed.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2008, 04:42:11 PM »

I like Biden alot, I think he's great choice. Unfortunately the bitter Hillary fans are still going to be stupid. You watch McCain will choose Condoleezza Rice and try to turn these Hillary fans to him.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2008, 05:32:37 PM »

Unfortunately the bitter Hillary fans are still going to be stupid.

This news came at 3am?

I love the "rubbing her nose in it" imagery with the "who's gonna answer the phone at 3am".......way to piss off 18million......LOL......
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2008, 10:10:35 PM »

I really like Biden.    He's the real deal straight talker.  I have great confidence in him and knew Obama would choose just the right person.   I liked Kaine too, though I'd have been happy with any choice Obama made, except Hillary Clinton.

I'm also confidant that the Obama campaign is more than prepared for any and all attacks, quotes and sound bites the McCain campaign is throwing around now...  They didn't go into this without having thoroughly covered Bidens past remarks about Obama.

McCain's choice otoh won't go down so easy.   No one I can think of he'd choose can handle Biden in a debate.  But go ahead.... pick Lieberman!  Please!  And the evangelical right will take a hike.

 
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2008, 05:52:48 AM »

If Veeps mattered in a debate.....then Mondale would have been President
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