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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2008, 08:03:44 AM » |
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I'd agree with you if we and the rest of the world had not suffered through the last eight years of Dick Cheney, the most powerful VP in history. imo... a VP pick now matters more than it ever has, ESPECIALLY if the VP spot is going to retain its 4th branch of government status as Cheney defined it.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2008, 11:43:26 AM » |
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I was being specific to your point on Biden debating.
As far as a Veep and power goes....that is privelege bestowed by the President....so a Veep can be as powerful or as weak as the man at the top desires him to be.
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2008, 12:07:37 PM » |
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It's a good choice. Veeps are supposed to be attack dogs in the campaign, allowing the top of the ticket to go above the fray. Biden is ceratinly an attack dog. McCain is has got an ad questioning the chioce and wondering why not Hillary. It's hysterical. Hey, McCain, why Romney and not Huckabee.
Who the hell cares what republicans thing of Obama's VP choice? As if there would actually be a choice they would not criticise. In fact McCain's attack ad came out so fast that it was probably made in a batch of attack ads for each potential VP.
Pathetic, McCain.
How many houses again?
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2008, 12:33:49 PM » |
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Who the hell cares what republicans thing of Obama's VP choice? As if there would actually be a choice they would not criticise. In fact McCain's attack ad came out so fast that it was probably made in a batch of attack ads for each potential VP. Quite true. It's just dirty politics and smears, insignificant compared to the real issues. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2008, 04:39:53 PM » |
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Here are a few choice words from Biden, and the reaction of the senior Republican Senator from Nebraska. Biden: "If your kitchen table is like mine, you sit there at night after you put the kids to bed and you talk about what you need. That's not a worry John McCain has to worry about. He'll have to figure out which of the seven kitchen tables to sit at." --from Biden's opening even with Obama in Springfield Il, yesterday. Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) issued the following statement on the Biden selection: "Joe Biden is the right partner for Barack Obama. His many years of distinguished service to America, his seasoned judgment and his vast experience in foreign policy and national security will match up well with the unique challenges of the 21st Century. An Obama-Biden ticket is a very impressive and strong team. Biden's selection is good news for Obama and America." http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/chuck_hagel_an_obamabiden_tick.php |
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« Last Edit: August 24, 2008, 04:42:32 PM by jpn of Seattle »
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2008, 07:32:45 PM » |
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Watch Biden say those words here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJeQTTkOzF4Even Couric, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, asked McCain, about those tables. Petty issue or shows both the elitism of the John and the beer heiress, kept man or lack ability to remember. Then it got edited, but may be available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vqnkatmS9gBut the "Headup video explains all about Katie and the interveiw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtliscvsT5c&feature=relatedEnjoy are not. Sometimes a picture does make more of impression than a thousand words. |
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\\"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die.\\" Edward Kennedy, U.S.
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The old lion of the Senate, though a lion in winter, has lived to do more for this nation than John or Bobby though
who knows what life would be like now had they lived.
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2008, 11:29:49 PM » |
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Biden has a big mouth. But I have say good pick. His son is being deployed to Iraq (how convenient) so you can expect that to come up in the next 2 months. But Obama needs to tell him to hush until election or it will be like Billy trying to get Hilly elected (a disaster)
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2008, 04:43:17 AM » |
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Bidens agreat choice! Biden has been in the Senate LONGER than McCain....... "Change we can believe in" .....  His plan for Iraq was to repeat the post-WWI historical mistake of having a wes tern conquerer draw arbitrary lines in the Middle Eastern sand. He has also been rejected as a Presidential candidate twice.....his first go around ended in humiliation: In September 1987, the campaign ran into serious trouble when he plagiarized a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.[29]
Kinnock’s speech included the lines:
Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Then pointing to his wife in the audience, he continued: Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?
While Biden’s speech included the lines:
I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? Then, pointing to his wife, he continued: Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I'm the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?
Within days, it was also discovered that, while a first year law student at Syracuse Law School, Biden had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. Though the then-dean of the law school, as well as Biden's former professor, played down the incident of plagiarism, they did find that Biden drew "chunks of heavy legal prose directly from" the article in question. Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[30] Biden also released his undergraduate grades, which started off poorly and remained unexceptional.[30] Further, when questioned by a New Hampshire resident about his grades in law school, Biden had inaccurately recollected graduating in the "top half" of his class (when he actually graduated 76th in a class of 85),that he had attended on a full scholarship, and had received three degrees.[31] In fact, he had received two majors, History and Political Science, and a single B.A., as well as a half scholarship based on financial need.[31]
Faced with these revelations, Biden withdrew from the nomination race on September 23, 1987, saying his candidacy had been overrun by "the exaggerated shadow" of his mistakes. [32]Maybe Obama will be overcome by the "exaggerated shadow? Is Biden a "wingnut warhawk?" Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Biden was supportive of the Bush administration's efforts, calling for additional ground troops in Afghanistan and agreeing that Saddam Hussein was a threat that needed to be dealt with[22]. The Bush administration rejected an effort Biden undertook with Senator Richard Lugar to pass a resolution authorizing military action only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts. In October 2002, Biden voted for the final resolution to support the War in Iraq. He has long supported the appropriations to pay for the occupation, but has argued repeatedly that more soldiers are needed, the war should be internationalized, and the Bush administration should "level with the American people" about the cost and length of the conflict.[23]He certainly wasn't with Obama there...and the potheads here might like to know: As chairman of the International Narcotics Control Caucus, Biden wrote the laws that created the nation's "Drug Czar," who oversees and coordinates national drug control policy.Yea.....I think Bidens a great choice. Thanks Obama.....for finally kicking the Clintons to the curb.....at 3am of all times.....classic  |
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2008, 04:48:06 AM » |
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For anyone interested in facts. The 3 a.m. timing was at the request of the wireless company, because that was the time of the lowest volume (you know a time when many people are asleep which is what the point of the Hillary ad was so the times would be the same) and the best time to send out mass e-mails, txts, etc. to not overload the system.
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2008, 05:29:32 AM » |
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OK.....then thanks for kicking the Clintons to the curb at ANY time.......
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2008, 08:47:42 AM » |
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McCain would be wise to put a women on the ticket on the 29th.
It does not matter if she is qualified or not just that she is female.
Black/Whitey vs Whitey/Women
hrmmmm yeap the women would tip the scale to McCain... lets hope he is dumb and picks someone like Romney because Black/Whitey will beat Whitey/Whitey easy.
The racism shown by the black community who will vote 95%-5% for Obama means that McCain need the female and women vote. So if he can find himself a hispanic women or maybe a black women it would be even better!
Mccain/Condi is rough due to the Bush factor but after her success in negotiating a withdrawl from iraq by 2011 could be helpful. She did not just talk about it she got it done and her forgien policy experience is second to none.
Mccain/John Thune I really like but they may lose. it gives thune a head start for 2012 though when it certain he will be teh conservative choice.
McCain/Romney does seems like the logical bet, and the losing one in that.
McCain/Pawlenty Come on... Please... even Mccain is not that dumb
McCain/Ridge LOL.. again bush Bagage
McCain/Lieberman This would be a winning team but a losing team for america.
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You get what you pay for America... Welcome to the Obamanation.....
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2008, 05:13:43 PM » |
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Black/Whitey vs Whitey/Women
hrmmmm yeap the women would tip the scale to McCain... lets hope he is dumb and picks someone like Romney because Black/Whitey will beat Whitey/Whitey easy. BONZO ...WTF you been smokin' ?  |
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Yes we can ...and now we will...
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2008, 05:18:25 PM » |
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the black vote is already 95-5 and Mccain cant make inroads. he is doing fine amoung white men... what Mccain needs in order to win is Independant women. So picking either leiberman or ANY woman will tip the scales. How is that smoking something?
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You get what you pay for America... Welcome to the Obamanation.....
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