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And he walked onto the stage and it became HIS convention.
There is not a person alive that can do a Democratic Party Convention stemwinder like Bill Clinton, and tonight he did what those who have watched him for years knew he could do. He is a combination of a Baptist tent revival preacher and an old school Southern politician. He was spectacular. He was what he has always been a combination of "bubba" and brains.
And Biden came after the convention fillers and was exactly what he was supposed to be. A combination of the attack dog assignment and down to earth, working class guy which is where he came from.
But then it happened. For those who have an understanding of how Democratic Conventions are run, it is almost
written in stone the presumptive candidate doesn't show until he accepts the nomination the final night of the
show. And for many years both the Democratic and GOP conventions have primarily been "shows."
The "unexpected guest" arrived and even Michelle appeared surprised when Barak Obama, sauntered onto the stage.
The convention the Clinton's could have stolen away from him and appeared to have tried, took back his convention in the most brilliant political move I've ever seen at a Democratic Convention.
It's all his now and tomorrow the terrific stem winders finished, an orator unlike most have seen in decades will speak to HIS convention.
Just my opinion, but it was so simple it was spectacular. But unquestionably a change from the past. Proof positive that Yes! He and we can!
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 09:40:56 PM » |
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What is it that he can do btw?
Raise taxes, legislate defeat, embolden our enemies...
what else exactly?
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 04:16:02 AM » |
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It never ceases to amaze me how easily some people get 'overwhelmed.' It reminds me of screaming school girls at a Jonas Brothers concert.
Unfortunately, right now, the Democrat convention feels like it has about as much substance, too.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 04:44:36 AM » |
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It never ceases to amaze me how easily some people get 'overwhelmed.' It reminds me of screaming school girls at a Jonas Brothers concert.
Unfortunately, right now, the Democrat convention feels like it has about as much substance, too.
Lol! Are you really expecting the Republican convention to have more substance? Not a chance. |
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 Who will watch the watchers?Now that it is over, what are we going to talk about? |
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 04:50:46 AM » |
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Lol! Are you really expecting the Republican convention to have more substance? Not a chance. Of course not. It's all show. It's all fluff. It's all pomp with a touch of circumstance. It's nothing to get 'overwhelmed' by. Then again, I'm not easily impressed, either. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 06:16:36 AM » |
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It's a week long circle jerk. I won't watch a minute.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 06:29:26 AM » |
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Not only was it pretty bad, it really sucked having it here. Road closures. Crowds. Extra security. More police. And saturation news coverage! Ugh!
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Who will watch the watchers?Now that it is over, what are we going to talk about?
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 06:30:59 AM » |
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Are you from Denver? I'd like to see that part of the world.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 06:31:42 AM » |
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Forgot you live there.
Yep, sucks to be you.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 06:50:32 AM » |
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It never ceases to amaze me how easily some people get 'overwhelmed.' It reminds me of screaming school girls at a Jonas Brothers concert.
Unfortunately, right now, the Democrat convention feels like it has about as much substance, too.
Joe demonstrated that what is supposed to be McSames Strong point( Foreign policy) is actually one of his biggest failures; Should you trust the judgment of John McCain, when he said only three years ago, "Afghanistan, we don't read about it anymore in papers because it succeeded"?
Or should you believe Barack Obama who said a year ago, "We need to send two more combat battalions to Afghanistan"?
The fact of the matter is, al Qaeda and the Taliban, the people who actually attacked us on 9/11, they've regrouped in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan and they are plotting new attacks. And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has echoed Barack's call for more troops.
John McCain was wrong, and Barack Obama was right.
Should we trust John McCain's judgment when he rejected talking with Iran and then asked, "What is there to talk about?" Or Barack Obama, who said, "We must talk and make clear to Iran that it must change"?
Now, after seven years of denial, even the Bush administration recognizes that we should talk to Iran because that's the best way to ensure our security.
Again and again, John McCain has been wrong, and Barack Obama is right.
Should we trust John McCain's judgment when he says we can't have no timelines to draw down our troops from Iraq, that we must stay indefinitely? Or should we listen to Barack Obama, who says shift the responsibility to the Iraqis and set a time to bring our combat troops home?
Now, after six long years, the administration and the Iraqi government are on the verge of setting a date to bring our troops home. John McCain was wrong, and Barack Obama was right.
Again and again, on the most important national security issues of our time, John McCain was wrong, and Barack Obama has been proven right.
Folks, remember when the world used to trust us, when they looked to us for leadership? With Barack Obama as our president, they'll look at us again, they'll trust us again, and we'll be able to lead again. If you didn't see "substance" there ...you couldn't have been paying attention. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 07:09:39 AM » |
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What is it that he can do btw?
Raise taxes, legislate defeat, embolden our enemies...
what else exactly?
Yes raise taxes on the big corporations who can very easily afford to be taken off of welfare in favor of real tax breaks for the middle class. And he will. He can change the direction of our foreign policy towards a meaningful direction that will defeat fundamental Islamic terrorism where it breeds rather than making it breed where we want big oil to make more profit. And he will. He can lead the country to a real solution for the future of our energy needs instead of voodoo math that says we can drill 3% of the worlds reserves to meet 25% of the worlds use. And he will. He can use diplomacy and alliances to create an atmosphere of respect and cooperation with the world rather than one of intervention and bullying fear. And he will. But then if you were paying any attention at all ...you would know that Bonzo.  |
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2008, 07:14:39 AM » |
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If you didn't see "substance" there ...you couldn't have been paying attention. We've had these exact same conversations in here. We've plowed these same grounds. They sound really good in sound bytes but go a little deeper, once fleshed out. Biden was smart to keep it on 101 level. Biden was also smart to not talk about his opposition to the troop surge. 'But others, including Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., — another possible presidential contender — and experts at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, say a surge in forces could hold off the insurgency long enough to build up the Iraqi security forces and form a political settlement. ' Of course McCain was RIGHT about the surge where Biden and Obama were wrong. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 07:27:27 AM » |
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All the "surge "accomplished was it stopped the situation that was getting worse form getting a lot worse. It did not succeed in its stated goals , it was a delaying tactic THAT IS ALL! The goal of forcing the Iraqi government to take over their own destiny will not occur until a time of withdrawal is set. Until that happens they will feel they are fighting for the US interests not fighting for Iraqi interests.
Obama saw this very early on ...McCain still doesn't.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 07:47:58 AM » |
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The surge bought time for Iraq police and security forces to get up to speed, which they have, to a great extent. It also gave the Iraq government time to get on their feet. This was all accomplished without ever setting a date certain. Now that the situation on the ground has improved beyond most people's wildest dreams, it has allowed us to talk about leaving.
Progress was made before a time line, not the other way around.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 08:22:56 AM » |
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And while most US activity has been concentrated on the 'surge" the Taliban and Al qada have been gaining strength and influence and growing in numbers on the Pakistan/ Afghan boarder.
If we continue on this erred path of ignoring the real threat while trying to prop up an unwilling government to do our bidding the situation can only get worse for all involved.
McCain STILL sees no problem with business as usual. Its easy to find some evidence of progress if you ignore the larger failure.
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