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« on: August 28, 2008, 09:08:45 AM »

I know it appears like it’s just an inflammatory rhetorical question, but I am trying to be serious here. Why do Conservatives and Republican Party members insist on being habitually misinformed and ignorant?

Nearly all of my extended family members are proud card-carrying Conservative Republicans. Consequently, I have lived my entire life with an imitate perspective into how Republicans think and into what makes a Republican a Republican. What I found is that the beliefs, attitudes, and motivations of my Republican family members  dovetail almost seamlessly with those of the national Republican Party at large – much more so that those of Democrats I know (who generally tend to think more deeply about the issues and are far more nuanced in their acceptance of the national party platform).

There are essentially only 2 main factors that drive the Republican Party and drive Americans to stay Republican or become Republican – even when it’s clearly against their own best interest. Those two factors are Fear and Ignorance. Allow me to provide a few examples of what I am talking about. 99.9% of Republicans are Republicans are one-issue voters who can be categorized as follows:

1.   EVANGELICALS – These are Republicans who vote Republican based solely on Abortion and Gay Marriage.
2.   REDNECKS – These are Republicans who vote Republican based solely on Gun Rights.
3.   RICH PEOPLE – These are Republicans who vote Republican based solely on Tax Policy.

99.9% of Republicans are one or two issue voters that can quickly and easily be separated into one of the 3 categories above. Luckily, for Republicans, all 3 groups are extremely fearful of Muslims. Evangelicals are afraid of Muslims because they view Islam as a dangerous threat to Christianity. Rednecks are fearful of Muslims because they don’t know any Muslims, are ignorant of Islam, and as a result are racist against Muslims. Rich people are fearful of Muslims because the threat of terrorism and our dependence on foreign oil threatens their checking account, their investments, and their overall personal wealth.

 Consequently, getting  their base to turn out on election day is a no-brainer for Republican leaders. All they need to do is continue fostering this misplaced fear and ignorance among their constituency.  Don’t believe me? In the last two campaign cycles (2004 & now), look at all the Republican and/or Conservative emails you have received in a mass distribution list, then look at how many of them were not fear-based. I am certain the answer is zero. In 2004, it was that a vote for John Kerry was a vote for another terrorist attack on the United States. Today it is that Barack Obama is a radical Muslim and a vote for Barack Obama means putting a radical Muslim in charge of the country.

Such a strategy would never work in the Democratic Party because such a ludicrously stupid and false suggestion about the opposition candidate would never stick – regardless of how badly Democrats wanted to believe it. Democrats, as a whole, are simply too well informed for such tactics to work. 

Yet in the Republican Party, despite well documented and widespread overwhelming evidence to the contrary, false accusations stick like glue – because their party members are so ill informed, uneducated, and generally ignorant. My question is why?
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 09:26:40 AM »

 A wonderfully accurate picture of the republican base ryan.
 The greed oriented part of the base who constantly are crying about big government regulation and tax policy IMHO are not truly ignorant. I believe they are all too well informed but are quite willing to compromise any part of government or society to get a leg up financially and will do so without any moral conscience. These are the people who run the party. The other two factions you described are kept in fear and ignorance by the former. They need each other. It is a remarkable talant they have to get people to vote against their own best interests, and they do it well.
 To answer your question directly only the followers of the party revel in ignorance the others revel in amoral greed, while taking advantage of the ignorant and fearful.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 10:05:01 AM »

Wow...where to start. Just a few highlights...

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99.9% of Republicans are one or two issue voters

As opposed to...Democrats? If you don't believe me, show me the last pro-life elected Democrat you've met.

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Luckily, for Republicans, all 3 groups are extremely fearful of Muslims.

Really? I don't fear muslims. I've got a pool of friends, all conservative, and we've never...I'll repeat, NEVER have had a single conversation about muslims.

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All they need to do is continue fostering this misplaced fear and ignorance among their constituency.

Would this be same kind of 'misplaced fear' that said Bush would bring back church burnings and slavery? How about telling old people Bush was going to stop their social security checks? Is that 'fear' or 'ignorance?' Or both?

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Such a strategy would never work in the Democratic Party because such a ludicrously stupid and false suggestion about the opposition candidate would never stick – regardless of how badly Democrats wanted to believe it.

How about the charge that Bush was AWOL? Dan Rather wanted to believe it so badly, he made up a story to go along with it. Yikes!

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Yet in the Republican Party, despite well documented and widespread overwhelming evidence to the contrary, false accusations stick like glue – because their party members are so ill informed, uneducated, and generally ignorant.

Looks like the Democrats have some house cleaning to do, as well. Seems like some Democrats just aren't as 'nuanced' and are too eager to accept the national party platform. Just not enough deep thinking.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 01:47:09 PM »


Changed the title. Nothing personal Ryan but we have in the past trashed or changed titles such as "Why do liberals...hate America" etc. or "Why are Americans...so stupid", etc.

I trust it won't change the general thrust of conversation.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 02:13:29 PM »

Republicans will take away your SS

Republicans will tak away welfare...

Yeap dems lead by scare tactics.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 02:25:03 PM »

Really? What do you think the GOP does? All the fear mongering of who's patriotic and who's not in this country and all the fear mongering of who is a terrorist country or part of the "Axis of evil" belongs to the Republicans of the past 8 years. Or how about the democrats will turn this country communist, that's my favorite one. Or all Arabs are terrorists or Obama is a terrorist because his name sounds like Osama.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 03:34:31 PM »

Really? What do you think the GOP does? All the fear mongering of who's patriotic and who's not in this country and all the fear mongering of who is a terrorist country or part of the "Axis of evil" belongs to the Republicans of the past 8 years. Or how about the democrats will turn this country communist, that's my favorite one. Or all Arabs are terrorists or Obama is a terrorist because his name sounds like Osama.

For 40 years democrats have scared old peopel into thinking republicans will take away thier ss benifits and the poor that thier welfare will be taken away as to ensure a solid voting bloc of ignorant people and you want to talk about republicans scaring people.  Clinton was in power for 8 years as this country was systimatically attacked by fundemental extremists and he did nothing.  Yes we should be afraid that democrast will do the same if elected again.

Bush was in power for 8 years and before him Bush 41 and Reagan were in power and did any of tghem take way SS benifits or even suggest taking tghem away?  As a matter of fact the last person to REDUCE welfare beneifts was the first black president.....
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 04:04:02 PM »

Republicans will take away your SS

Republicans will tak away welfare...

Stated goals of the GOP no need to make anything up.
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The GOP initiative would reduce federal funding of welfare programs by $40 billion over five years, with some $15 billion coming from the consolidation of about 50 programs into three block grants to be administered by the states. In what would represent a dramatic change in the way the government regards its obligation to poor families, the measure would end welfare's protected status as a federal "entitlement" that promises benefits to all who qualify, regardless of the cost to taxpayers.
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His (Reagan) Administration, acting under a Congressional mandate to review the Social Security disability rolls, has cut off benefits for thousands who were later found to be disabled and qualified.

 
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HISTORY LESSON: April 18, 1935

70 Years of Republican Attempts to Kill Social Security
On April 18th 1935 Allen Towner Treadway (R-MA), ranking Republican on the Ways and Means Committee, (the Bill Thomas of the Roosevelt era) became the first Republican to attempt to kill Social security. Treadway introduced an amendment to the Social Security Act that would have killed the old age benefits provision of the Democratic Social Security Act. While debating the bill Treadway vowed to oppose Social Security at "every opportunity," a commitment that continues with today's Republican Party.


1935 The Commitment Is Made:
Treadway Attempted to Kill Social Security Before it was Law. On April 11th 1935 debate began in the US House of Representatives on the Social Security Act HR 7260. On April 18th 1935 Allen Towner Treadway (R-MA) offered an amendment to strike the sections of the law that created the "old age benefits provision" (Article 2) and the revenue system (Article Cool. Treadway was the ranking Republican on the influential Ways and Means committee at the time. Treadway's amendment was defeated in a 49-125 vote. [CRS, Major Decisions in the House and Senate on Social Security, 3/26/01]

Treadway and Other Republicans Vowed to Oppose Social Security at "Every Opportunity". During debate on the Treadway amendment, Mr. Jenkins (R-OH), a supporter of Treadway's, called the social security program "compulsion of the rankest kind." During debate on the bill Treadway vowed to "vote most strenuously in opposition to the bill at each and every opportunity. [CRS, Major Decisions in the House and Senate on Social Security, 3/26/01]


70 Years Later Bush/Republicans Keep the Commitment:
Bush Plan Will Destroy Social Security. Republican Privatization Proposal Threatens our Economic Security and Creates Trillions in New Debt. The Republican plan to establish private accounts requires borrowing more than $4 trillion over the next 20 years, with much of the borrowing coming from countries like China and Japan. [Knight Ridder, 2/10/05; Center on Budget and Policy Priorities; Seattle Times, 2/16/05; National Public Radio, Marketplace, 12/15/04]

The Bush Individual Accounts Hurt the Solvency of Social Security by more than 50 percent. According to independent analysis, the individual accounts in Bush's Social Security Commission Model 2, which is similar to the set of principles recently outlined by the White House, would add more than 50 percent to the cost of saving Social Security for 75 years. The only reason the Social Security actuaries say that this plan extends the solvency of Social Security is because of the deep cuts in guaranteed Social Security benefits and the trillions of dollars in general revenue transfers. [Peter Diamond and Peter Orszag, "An Assessment of the Proposals of the President's Commission to Strengthen Social Security," Contributions to Economic Analysis & Policy, Volume 1, Issue 1, 2002]
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/04/republicans_con.php
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 04:45:41 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 05:23:21 PM »

I think Ryan raises a good point.

What is McCain's most important policies? Do they support the interests of middle class America?

Health care? No, he basically believes in more of the same.
Taxes? Cuts for the corporations, cuts for the rich. For the rest of us? Lots more Republican debt.
Environment? Policies written by the energy companies. Profits for them, pollution for us.
National Security? More bellicose go-it-alone belligerence. Our troops saddled with more unnecessary wars thanks to Neocon policies.

Since conservative policies don't really appeal to the broad middle class, they can't really talk about them much. So it's all attack, attack, attack. Obama is an elitist, Obama doesn't have experience.

Well, Republicans don't have policies--not for us.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 05:29:59 PM »

Republicans will take away your SS

After his win in 2004, Bush barnstormed the country for six months trying to translate the bounce he earned from his victory into privatizing (i.e., destroying) SS.

It's not a scare tactic. Destroying SS is one of the leading goals of Neocon Republicans. The incredible success and popularity of Social Security repudiates the most cherished ideologies of Neocons.

So they hate it. And try to destroy it every chance they get.
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It's not a scare tactic. Destroying SS is one of the leading goals of Neocon Republicans. The incredible success and popularity of Social Security repudiates the most cherished ideologies of Neocons.

Anyone who can do simple math knows for a fact that SS is a ripoff that keeps people who rely on it at or near the poverty line.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 05:47:25 PM »

  I always find it amusing when someone tries to promote one party by degrading the other.    Sure, party members at times think alike, but such a wide percentage (what was it 99.9?) only tells me that you need to get out more.  Ignorance spans all partisan lines.  All colors, creeds, genders, age groups, sexual orientation, race....you name it.  Posting a topic like this only proves your ignorance of the human condition.  Why not just say "why are people that think differently then I do so stupid?", because that is what really pisses you off, isn't it?
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 06:35:57 PM »

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It's not a scare tactic. Destroying SS is one of the leading goals of Neocon Republicans. The incredible success and popularity of Social Security repudiates the most cherished ideologies of Neocons.

Anyone who can do simple math knows for a fact that SS is a ripoff that keeps people who rely on it at or near the poverty line.


This begs the question of what people in poverty that rely on SS are supposed to do. I know retirees that rely on it, and really don't have the option of going to work. A cut to their benefits realistically means one of two things. Either they would go hungry, or their kids would have to pony up more to help them, possibly a little of both.
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