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Idiot contemporary art non sens. An Italian museum on Thursday defied Pope Benedict and refused to remove a modern art sculpture portraying a crucified green frog holding a beer mug and an egg that the Vatican had condemned as blasphemous.
The board of the Museion museum in the northern city of Bolzano decided by a majority vote that the frog was a work of art and would stay in place for the remainder of an exhibition.
The wooden sculpture by the late German artist Martin Kippenberger depicts a frog about 1 meter 30 cm (4 feet) high nailed to brown cross and holding a beer mug in one outstretched hand and an egg in another.
Called "Zuerst die Fuesse," (Feet First), it wears a green loin cloth and is nailed through the hands and the feet in the manner of Jesus Christ. Its green tongue hangs out of its mouth.  "Art must always be free and the artist should not have any restrictions on freedom of expression," sourceYeah, I wonder what he would say if it was a star of david. Try to exhibit a desecrated star of David in a modern art museum and you will see. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 04:05:37 PM » |
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This sort of thing happens all the time. Argentinian artist Leon Ferrari won many awards for christian desecration sculptures including even christ in a blender. His award winning sculpture "Christ crucified in a plane" won many art awards, and even 30 years later is still winning awards.  What can you say? Christianity is fair game for all types of bad taste expressions of humour and art but other religions such as islam are completely off limits. Welcome to the hypocrisy of the PC world we live in. |
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 05:54:22 PM » |
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Islam avoids this type of artistic expression because of the repression in Islamic countries and fear within non-Islamists.
Judiasm avoides this type of artisitic expression because no one wants to make fun of the holocaust.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 08:31:52 PM » |
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With all the desecration of people going on everyday it's hard to notice tame stuff like this.
A frog on a cross (yawn). I mean I did the same thing biology.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 10:22:56 PM » |
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Judiasm avoides this type of artisitic expression because no one wants to make fun of the holocaust.
to compare Judaism with Holocaust is like to compare Christianity with 9/11. You are retarded but i don't blame you for that. There is a huge difference between lets say making fun out of Moses or Abraham and making fun of real ppl who got murdered. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 11:54:09 AM » |
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Judiasm avoides this type of artisitic expression because no one wants to make fun of the holocaust.
to compare Judaism with Holocaust is like to compare Christianity with 9/11. You are retarded but i don't blame you for that. There is a huge difference between lets say making fun out of Moses or Abraham and making fun of real ppl who got murdered. The point is (and you are disingenuous if you do not acknowledge this) that it is very difficult to say anything nagative or derogatory about Judaism with being called anti-Semetic. If I were Untouchables I would say that this is because of some Zionist conspiracy, but in reality it is because we don't want Neo-Nazi elements to get any kind of foothold again, or something like that. |
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2008, 01:36:04 PM » |
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The point is (and you are disingenuous if you do not acknowledge this) that it is very difficult to say anything nagative or derogatory about Judaism with being called anti-Semetic. If I were Untouchables I would say that this is because of some Zionist conspiracy, but in reality it is because we don't want Neo-Nazi elements to get any kind of foothold again, or something like that.
Actually what you saying now is what being an anti-Semite is about but go on. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 11:17:51 AM » |
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The point is (and you are disingenuous if you do not acknowledge this) that it is very difficult to say anything nagative or derogatory about Judaism with being called anti-Semetic. If I were Untouchables I would say that this is because of some Zionist conspiracy, but in reality it is because we don't want Neo-Nazi elements to get any kind of foothold again, or something like that.
Actually what you saying now is what being an anti-Semite is about but go on. What did I say that was wrong? |
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2008, 08:13:28 AM » |
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You are right, according to your own ideals which you shown at any opportunity you had.
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2008, 12:54:01 PM » |
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You are right, according to your own ideals which you shown at any opportunity you had.
I'm sorry, you're not making any sense. Let's recap: you alledged that "what (I) saying (was) what being an anti-Semite is about". I asked you what I said that was anti-Semetic, and you blathered some nonsense. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2008, 02:58:05 PM » |
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First, in the conetemporary art world, it's impossible for an artist to be shown let alone win an award if he makes mockery of judaic symbols. (One exception is when he/she is visibly a jew hinself.)
Second it's pleasant for the art world to see desecration of christian symbols for a variety of reasons: kitch culture, gay pride, unbeliefs of the jews in the christian myths, intello-leftism, sensationalist wannabe etc.
Sure an artist who would joke about judaism would pass for a neo-nazy immediately. But it's not only that.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 01:23:17 PM » |
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First, in the conetemporary art world, it's impossible for an artist to be shown let alone win an award if he makes mockery of judaic symbols. (One exception is when he/she is visibly a jew hinself.)
Second it's pleasant for the art world to see desecration of christian symbols for a variety of reasons: kitch culture, gay pride, unbeliefs of the jews in the christian myths, intello-leftism, sensationalist wannabe etc.
Sure an artist who would joke about judaism would pass for a neo-nazy immediately. But it's not only that.
That is a point that art could make, by desecating Jewish symbolism. I think it would make for an interesting work. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2008, 06:43:46 AM » |
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No, I don't think desecrating anything, Jewish or christian, religious or not is interresting. But it will be very hard to do without passing for a neo nazy or an islamist.
The artworld is at 80% jewish (80% jewish no matter their sexual orientation + 20% of non-jewish homosexuals).
Desecrating is not good an inspiration for art because it's a negative, destructive thing. Art is about creation, about positive ideas.
To descrate you have to render something ugly. Art is about beauty. Art is about making something sacred. Not the opposite.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2008, 08:51:55 PM » |
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No, I don't think desecrating anything, Jewish or christian, religious or not is interresting. But it will be very hard to do without passing for a neo nazy or an islamist.
The artworld is at 80% jewish (80% jewish no matter their sexual orientation + 20% of non-jewish homosexuals).
Desecrating is not good an inspiration for art because it's a negative, destructive thing. Art is about creation, about positive ideas.
To descrate you have to render something ugly. Art is about beauty. Art is about making something sacred. Not the opposite.
(At least should be)
If you desecrate something you deem ugly, couldn't you make it beautiful? |
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2008, 11:17:54 PM » |
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Let's recap: you alledged that "what (I) saying (was) what being an anti-Semite is about". I asked you what I said that was anti-Semetic, and you blathered some nonsense.
You are one top notch moron, when you say anything bad about Judaism then it must be bad about Christianity as well because Christians stole/adopted Torah from Jews. On other hand any constructive criticisms of Judaism ended up with Jews who make Matzot from Christian children's blood. So please be free to discuss Judaism as long as you don't being an antisemitic just don't get offended if Christians or Muslims will take you down simply because those adopted most of teachings from Judaism. Why you are an 'anti-Semetic' because you automatically group Jews, Judaism, Zionism and Israelis into a one. Telling stories about Zionist conspiracies and probably living with knowledge that there are Scrolls from Elder of Zion or other 'anti-Semetic' bullshit Muslims took from European anti-Jewish propaganda of mid 20th century. Now who is blathering nonsense ? |
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