Handouts? Give me a break.

I don't like the government getting involved in things as much as the next guy, but when we're talking about the physical well being of the country, it's a different thing. The cures and vaccines and treatments and so forth were invented for the good of everybody, not the highest bidder. These things, which keep our society alive and thriving, shouldn't have a price tag on it.

Wow. I mean, WOW.

A question for Totino:

Why you American pay 250% MORE to get LESS health care, and feel like you're very smart? That always amazes me...

(That the wealthy claim with a full mouth that the price of failure to earn must be paid with health and/or life, doesn't shocks me the least... aristocrates aux lanternes!)



BTW, Akh, I don't doubt that population idspersal is a problem. Here we also have got dispersal populations and this causes some trouble, but I would like to point another meaningful difference: doctors per population. Here in my piece of land, Catalonia, we got 340 doctors per 100,000 population, and yet there's a shortage of doctors which we're compensating with foreign doctors, usually from Latin America and Eastern Europe. Spain's average is slightly lower, but anyway they're miles ahead of Northern America.

Let's compare physicians per population and expenditure per population, Spain versus Northern America:

In Spain, there are 330 physicians per 100,000 inhabitants.
In the USA, 256 per 100,000
In Canada, 214 per 100,000
In Mexico, 198 per 100,000

Health care expense in Spain is of 1,853 $ (PPP) per citizen
In the USA, 5,771 $
In Canada, 2,989 $
In Mexico, 582 $

In Spain, health care as percentage of GDP is 5.5% (public health care) and 2.2% (private health care), totalling 7.7% of GDP.
In the USa, it's 6.8%, 8.4%, total 15.2% of GDP
In Canada, it's 6.9%, 3%, total 9.9% of GDP
In Mexico, it's 2.9%, 3.3%, total 6.2% of GDP

Now, wouldn't that point out a problem? Namely, a proficency problem?

It's obvious that population dispersal is a problem, but having 35% less physicians, surely this doens't helps out. Also doesn't helps that even having this few physicians (I guess also it haves less medical hardware), the system is quite more expensive.

Something doesn't rules.

(Just a note... an internist in Spain's public health care haves a salary of between 72,000 and 84,000 euros per year. That's about 100,000 to 117,000 $ per year. In the USA, internist's earnings range between 175,000 and 300,000 $. SS hires the best internists and actually most internists prefer working in public health care too, which is telling about private health care in Spain...)

The problem with disbelieve in Universal Health Care by some americans (still there are a few bunch like theese), is that they like to pay more for something they believe is better quality.

Same when you got a membership at Costco, it makes you feel more important than others. In the end you spend more, because you buy a huge package, but you will throw away the leftovers after a while, because will get bad in your fridge, but hell no, you are a special member at Costco, not too many people can afford to do that.

How do you define quality in health care though?
That the doctor takes you in half an hour as opposed to 2 or 3 hours? Or maybe that you can see a specialist in 1 week as opposed to 2 months?

All I can say is that I used myself the Canadian health care and my family too, in a few occasions. And if it wasn't universal I would have been banckrupt now, paying for the rest of my life. As compared to U.S.: yes you have a little more money in your pockets because of lower taxes, you can buy a few more packs of cigarettes every month, but you piece of shit don't dare to get sick, or for God's sake don't get an accident, because you can be left to die like a small piglet you are.

This is good health care? I think this is called selfishness and lack of respect and dignity for your fellow human being.
They always talk in America how precious human life is, I dare to challenge anyone that this is just BS, you mean how precious rich people's life is?

They go there because they have money to throw and because they think they are too precious species.
As I said, if you have a little patience, you will get your fix here in Canada, free of charge.

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Mate I pay out of my own pocket for health insurance. I work full time and go to school full time. You act as though I'm rich. Sadly, it just isn't the case. Grow up with the OFFBASE personal attacks.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be oppossed to healthcare for children. Afterall, why should they suffer because of good for nothing parents? But sweeping unviversal healthcare is bullocks.

Don't assume. It makes an ass out of you and me.

They go there because our health care is superior to yours. Haha, free of charge? Yeah because it isn't like you pay for that out of your taxes... Oh wait, yes you do.

Patience? People die because they don't get healthcare quick enough. Death and disease don't say "Oh he hasn't seen a doctor yet, let's hold off on killing him for a bit". You're crazy.

And tadpol raises a good point about untreated issues.

I ALSO work full time and go to school full time, but I can't afford medical insurance. Do you honestly think that because kids are poor they have good for nothing parents. I would love it if you said that to my face you dumbass. My assumption was correct, also.