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« on: August 29, 2008, 02:31:56 PM » |
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As the election draws closer, voters must evaluate the merits of each candidate by learning what they can contribute to society. Of great importance are the political philosophies that they adhere to, as well as the history of the party they represent. Realizing this, how can people vote for John McCain, knowing that his platform and positions are so similar to previous Conservative administrations? The Republican party has not only proven itself incompetent throughout the last few decades, but actively promotes ineptitude in government and punishes civil service.
In their crusade against "big government", Conservatives have worked to replace committed civil servants with people who are either extremely incompetent and inexperienced, with no interest in serving the public, or people who passionately despise the government. Why would you trust the government to people who wish to sabotage it?
Here I will provide a few examples of intentional bureaucratic incompetence under Conservative administrations:
-The 'Office of Economic Opportunity' (OEO) was an agency created by Lyndon Johnson to assist the poor. Under Richard Nixon, control of the agency was granted to Howard Phillips, who cut its budget and systematically destroyed it.
-Reagan appointed known anti-environmentalists to agencies in charge of regulating industrial pollution.
-President Bush appointed Andrew Biggs, an advocate of Social Security privatization, to help lead the Social Security Administration.
-Bush entrusted FEMA to incompetent director Michael Brown, whose poor managerial skills failed to support the victims of hurricane Katrina.
-From 1975 to 1985, Salaries of public sector employees declined significantly, and continue to remain low under Republican rule.
"Putting federal operations under the direction of people who are hostile to those operation's existence is [the] main tactic of conservative governance". Conservatives aspire to destroy the quality and morale of the federal workforce. Why allow this to continue?
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jpn of Seattle
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 04:45:14 PM » |
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So now McCain picks a candidate who denies basic science. Palin wants "intelligent design" taught alongside real science in High School, and doesn't believe that humans are responsible for global warming.
Competence starts with accepting reality.
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What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 10:09:27 PM » |
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The Republican party has not only proven itself incompetent throughout the last few decades, but actively promotes ineptitude in government and punishes civil service. This is not a partisan problem. This is a problem that cross's all party lines. And, it is all a matter of opinion as to whether or not the majority of federal bureau's and agencies are necessary or even constitutional. I also do not see the Republican party (at least lately) as making any real attempt at reducing the size of the federal government, which, by the way, needs to be a major addition to any economic plan thats serious about cutting federal spending. We cant have it both ways. We cannot have "butter AND bullets" as Johnson so ineptly claimed we could. So any serious economic plan will have to include massive federal employee job losses. It's not punishment, it's reality. Our former accounting General David Walker knew this and reported his findings. But, who, especially federal employee's wants to hear that? He said we are in a world of shit, nobody listened, so he resigned. So it is still "reality or massive inflation"...The people have spoken and they chose massive inflation and a slow death for the dollar. This was the wrong choice because when the dollar dies those federal jobs will die with it, so instead of just curbing a lot of federal jobs and possibly saving the dollar, now both will die. |
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 09:57:05 AM » |
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The Republican party has not only proven itself incompetent throughout the last few decades, but actively promotes ineptitude in government and punishes civil service. This is not a partisan problem. This is a problem that cross's all party lines. And, it is all a matter of opinion as to whether or not the majority of federal bureau's and agencies are necessary or even constitutional. I also do not see the Republican party (at least lately) as making any real attempt at reducing the size of the federal government, which, by the way, needs to be a major addition to any economic plan thats serious about cutting federal spending. We cant have it both ways. We cannot have "butter AND bullets" as Johnson so ineptly claimed we could. So any serious economic plan will have to include massive federal employee job losses. It's not punishment, it's reality. Our former accounting General David Walker knew this and reported his findings. But, who, especially federal employee's wants to hear that? He said we are in a world of shit, nobody listened, so he resigned. So it is still "reality or massive inflation"...The people have spoken and they chose massive inflation and a slow death for the dollar. This was the wrong choice because when the dollar dies those federal jobs will die with it, so instead of just curbing a lot of federal jobs and possibly saving the dollar, now both will die. It IS a partisan problem. It is Republican POLICY to hire incompetents to "prove" their theory that government doesn't work and so should be destroyed and sold off to fill their pockets. Bitching about Constitutionality won't cut it. You are not an expert on the Constitution so you don't know what you are talking about. Such as the Federal Government is, it is Constitutional until the Courts say it isn't. Since no one is rushing challenge it in the Courts, your personal reading of the Constitution is not relevant here. It remains a fact that Republicans regularly hire incompetents to support their ideology. By the way, you use the word inept a lot for someone whose analysis of most things is almost invariably inept. |
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gommi
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 10:09:32 AM » |
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I also do not see the Republican party (at least lately) as making any real attempt at reducing the size of the federal government, which, by the way, needs to be a major addition to any economic plan thats serious about cutting federal spending. While Bush has increased government spending to a degree (primarily due to the war), he has in fact limited the government's domestic operations. Far fewer people are employed by the government now than years before. So any serious economic plan will have to include massive federal employee job losses. Not necessarily. The American government can end its expensive military engagements and raise taxes. |
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\"Ideological and moral confusion are signs of a higher consciousness\".
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 04:08:06 AM » |
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It IS a partisan problem. It is Republican POLICY to hire incompetents to "prove" their theory that government doesn't work and so should be destroyed and sold off to fill their pockets. Bitching about Constitutionality won't cut it. You are not an expert on the Constitution so you don't know what you are talking about. Such as the Federal Government is, it is Constitutional until the Courts say it isn't. Since no one is rushing challenge it in the Courts, your personal reading of the Constitution is not relevant here. It remains a fact that Republicans regularly hire incompetents to support their ideology.
By the way, you use the word inept a lot for someone whose analysis of most things is almost invariably inept. Irwin, If, in fact you knew the Constitution, you would know that any law passed (by any legislative entity) that does not follow the Constitution is null and void. It's not my "personal reading" it is just what it says. You would also know that the high courts are always getting challenged on the Constitutionality of laws. Irwin, type less, read more. Just because you can cut and paste doesn't make you knowledgeable. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 06:41:39 AM » |
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And just how do YOU decide if a law is constitutional and valid and should be followed, or if it is one of the ones you can ignore Retro?
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 Who will watch the watchers?Now that it is over, what are we going to talk about? |
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 10:44:09 AM » |
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So now McCain picks a candidate who denies basic science. Palin wants "intelligent design" taught alongside real science in High School, and doesn't believe that humans are responsible for global warming.
Competence starts with accepting reality.
I really have not seen her stance on these issues yet, but um, before I just take your word for it, do you have anything to back up these statements? |
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 08:43:53 PM » |
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So now McCain picks a candidate who denies basic science. Palin wants "intelligent design" taught alongside real science in High School, and doesn't believe that humans are responsible for global warming.
Competence starts with accepting reality.
I really have not seen her stance on these issues yet, but um, before I just take your word for it, do you have anything to back up these statements? I was curious myself, so I looked into it. I found this from 2006. The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.
Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
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The teaching of creationism, which relies on the biblical account of the creation of life, has been ruled by the U.S. Supreme Court as an unconstitutional injection of religion into public education.
Last December, in a widely publicized local case, a federal judge in Pennsylvania threw out a city school board's requirement that "intelligent design" be mentioned briefly in science classes. Intelligent design proposes that biological life is so complex that some kind of intelligence must have shaped it.
"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.
Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.
"I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism," Palin said.
Palin has occasionally discussed her lifelong Christian faith during the governor's race but said teaching creationism is nothing she has campaigned about or even given much thought to.
"We're talking about the gas line and PERS/TERS," she said Thursday, referring to the proposed natural gas pipeline and public employee and teacher retirement systems.
The Republican Party of Alaska platform says, in its section on education: "We support giving Creation Science equal representation with other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it should be presented as only a theory." I like the fact that she doesn't bs about intelligent design, and just calls it creationism. |
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jpn of Seattle
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2008, 08:53:23 AM » |
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This is the quote by Palin I find operative:
“Teach both,” Palin said. “You know, don’t be afraid of information… I am a proponent of teaching both.”
--Anchorage Daily News: [http://]dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html
What an airhead. Yeah, "teach both. Don't be afraid of 'information.'"
So we should teach astrology alongside astronomy. Why not? It's both "information," right?
God, she has the brains of a chimp.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2008, 09:57:37 AM » |
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I'm not fooled by all this posturing about allowing 'information' into the classroom.
It's a radical leftist front to open the way to push their agenda into schools. The liberal media talks all day about prayer and creationism, but I know where this is leading.
We'll have our school overrun by f'ing hippies teaching classes about crystals and how eating meat causes bad karma.
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Ammunition spitting is him, is it, you listening
Littering written, it\\'s in slippers, get the rebel in him
Sticking it with sinners, sizzlin\\' rhythm, verbally hit him
Did he did it, or did he didn\\'t, admit it -
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