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« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2008, 11:33:58 AM » |
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Right, but in the real world 83% of heart attacks are in people over the age of 65. Roughly speaking, this makes a man McCain's age around 4 times as likely to die of a heart attack than a man Obama's age. It suggests that age is one of the biggest risk factors. This is why I hate dealing with the medically unsophisticated..... Your talking about ONE very broad risk factor that contributes to death. When weighing THEM ALL....McCain gets the ding...and Obama doesn't...did you see that? Do we need to do it again? When ALL the vague and broad risk factors are weighed together...both men are about even. You also...in your extensive analysis of the literature forgot to mention that 100% of the people over 65 will die.  BTW....since you want to analyze SINGLE risk factors...Obama smokes and has smoked most his adult life....how much more likely is HE to die than McCain based on this ONE single risk factor? You are right, we should analyse all risk factors, not just one. Just like we should consider all illness. Imagine you are working for a health insurance company: surely you must acknowledge that McCain is a greater risk than Obama, due to his age? (YAWN).....on that ONE SINGLE RISK FACTOR ALONE....yes.....just as Obama is at greater risk for SMOKING.....yet another SINGLE RISK FACTOR ALONE. If I am an insurance company...I'm not a friggin idiot and look at ONE SINGLE RISK FACTOR alone. Your naivete and simple underappreciation for a persons ENTIRE profile versus a SINGLE RISK FACTOR is astounding. |
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« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2008, 10:30:01 AM » |
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Right, but in the real world 83% of heart attacks are in people over the age of 65. Roughly speaking, this makes a man McCain's age around 4 times as likely to die of a heart attack than a man Obama's age. It suggests that age is one of the biggest risk factors. This is why I hate dealing with the medically unsophisticated..... Your talking about ONE very broad risk factor that contributes to death. When weighing THEM ALL....McCain gets the ding...and Obama doesn't...did you see that? Do we need to do it again? When ALL the vague and broad risk factors are weighed together...both men are about even. You also...in your extensive analysis of the literature forgot to mention that 100% of the people over 65 will die. BTW....since you want to analyze SINGLE risk factors...Obama smokes and has smoked most his adult life....how much more likely is HE to die than McCain based on this ONE single risk factor? You are right, we should analyse all risk factors, not just one. Just like we should consider all illness. Imagine you are working for a health insurance company: surely you must acknowledge that McCain is a greater risk than Obama, due to his age? (YAWN).....on that ONE SINGLE RISK FACTOR ALONE....yes.....just as Obama is at greater risk for SMOKING.....yet another SINGLE RISK FACTOR ALONE. If I am an insurance company...I'm not a friggin idiot and look at ONE SINGLE RISK FACTOR alone. Your naivete and simple underappreciation for a persons ENTIRE profile versus a SINGLE RISK FACTOR is astounding. Stop avoiding the question. I never asked you to look at just one risk factor. I asked you which was a greater health risk, based on all factors, which you have so far failed to answer? |
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« Reply #77 on: September 06, 2008, 07:28:55 AM » |
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Stop avoiding the question. I never asked you to look at just one risk factor. I asked you which was a greater health risk, based on all factors, which you have so far failed to answer? Who's avoiding....I answer every question you ask....I will however not be able to answer questions that do not make any sense. What is it you don't understand about assessing risk with broad, vague, general risk factors? The greatest risk factor? How about playing Russian roulette with six rounds in the chamber? It seems you want to discuss how the medical profession weighs "being black" and "old" against eachother. Who is just black? Who is just old? Perhaps you don't understand that the risk factors you want to discuss are within the concept of assigning OVERALL risk of premature death? Who will EVER even attempt to assign risk with ONE risk factor....and ignore the rest? If you've done extensive searches and have come up empty with regards to being just black or just old.....there is a reason.....there is no one who is attemting to assign individual weight to individual risk factors involved with the global determination of an individuals overall risk for premature death. |
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« Reply #78 on: September 06, 2008, 11:28:52 AM » |
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Stop avoiding the question. I never asked you to look at just one risk factor. I asked you which was a greater health risk, based on all factors, which you have so far failed to answer? Who's avoiding....I answer every question you ask....I will however not be able to answer questions that do not make any sense. What is it you don't understand about assessing risk with broad, vague, general risk factors? The greatest risk factor? How about playing Russian roulette with six rounds in the chamber? It seems you want to discuss how the medical profession weighs "being black" and "old" against eachother. Who is just black? Who is just old? Perhaps you don't understand that the risk factors you want to discuss are within the concept of assigning OVERALL risk of premature death? Who will EVER even attempt to assign risk with ONE risk factor....and ignore the rest? If you've done extensive searches and have come up empty with regards to being just black or just old.....there is a reason.....there is no one who is attemting to assign individual weight to individual risk factors involved with the global determination of an individuals overall risk for premature death. So, to sum up, you think Obama and McCain are an equal risk of dying in office? Fine, but you'll excuse me if I take your "expert opinion" with a large pinch of salt in future. |
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« Reply #79 on: September 06, 2008, 11:41:21 AM » |
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What about McCains PTSD ? We know he has it to some degree and that the prognosis is "held secret".
His temper and emotional outbursts with vugarity are consistant with this mental affliction. Do we want a nut job like this with his "finger on the button".
What if Putin says something that sets him off and he says NUKE EM! Where does that leave us??
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« Reply #80 on: September 06, 2008, 11:48:30 AM » |
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What about McCains PTSD ? We know he has it to some degree and that the prognosis is "held secret".
His temper and emotional outbursts with vugarity are consistant with this mental affliction. Do we want a nut job with his "finger on the button".
What is Putin says something that sets him off and he says NUKE EM! Where does that leave us??
There are safety mechanisms for that... |
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« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2008, 12:00:34 PM » |
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What about McCains PTSD ? We know he has it to some degree and that the prognosis is "held secret".
His temper and emotional outbursts with vugarity are consistant with this mental affliction. Do we want a nut job with his "finger on the button".
What is Putin says something that sets him off and he says NUKE EM! Where does that leave us??
There are safety mechanisms for that... Oh really like what? Is there a mental competency quiz on the trigger mechanism? |
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« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2008, 12:01:44 PM » |
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What an idiot.
Reports of battle-associated stress appear as early as the 6th century BC.[82] Although PTSD-like symptoms have also been recognized in combat veterans of many military conflicts since, the modern understanding of PTSD dates from the 1970s, largely as a result of the problems that were still being experienced by Vietnam veterans.[82]
The term post-traumatic stress disorder or PTSD was coined in the mid 1970s.[82] Early in 1978, the term was used in a working group finding presented to the Committee of Reactive Disorders.[83] The term was formally recognised in 1980.[82] (In the DSM-IV, which is considered authoritative, the spelling "posttraumatic stress disorder" is used. Elsewhere, "posttraumatic" is often rendered as two words — "post-traumatic stress disorder" or "post traumatic stress disorder" — especially in less formal writing on the subject.) WIKI
Every President who has experienced war could have had PTSD.....of course you couldn't call it that before 1980 because the term didn't officially exist.
Bush 41 is the only President to have experienced combat since the term was coined......however Bush 41 is not the only President to ever see and experience the horror of war first hand.
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #83 on: September 06, 2008, 12:20:56 PM » |
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What an idiot.
Reports of battle-associated stress appear as early as the 6th century BC.[82] Although PTSD-like symptoms have also been recognized in combat veterans of many military conflicts since, the modern understanding of PTSD dates from the 1970s, largely as a result of the problems that were still being experienced by Vietnam veterans.[82]
The term post-traumatic stress disorder or PTSD was coined in the mid 1970s.[82] Early in 1978, the term was used in a working group finding presented to the Committee of Reactive Disorders.[83] The term was formally recognised in 1980.[82] (In the DSM-IV, which is considered authoritative, the spelling "posttraumatic stress disorder" is used. Elsewhere, "posttraumatic" is often rendered as two words — "post-traumatic stress disorder" or "post traumatic stress disorder" — especially in less formal writing on the subject.) WIKI
Every President who has experienced war could have had PTSD.....of course you couldn't call it that before 1980 because the term didn't officially exist.
Bush 41 is the only President to have experienced combat since the term was coined......however Bush 41 is not the only President to ever see and experience the horror of war first hand.
Experiencing war and being totrured are two different fish-kettles. |
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« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2008, 12:26:55 PM » |
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You guys are hilarious.....
PTSD is PTSD.
Perhaps you can tell everyone how it differs among rape, watching the death of a child, etc, etc....what are the differing manisfestations based on the stresses?
What do the experts say....or are you just taking this pathetic line because you can't find a better way to spend your time?
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2008, 12:32:53 PM » |
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You guys are hilarious.....
PTSD is PTSD.
Perhaps you can tell everyone how it differs among rape, watching the death of a child, etc, etc....what are the differing manisfestations based on the stresses?
What do the experts say....or are you just taking this pathetic line because you can't find a better way to spend your time?
Yes, but you are more likely to ge PTSD from a torture chamber then you are from sitting in the barracks. |
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« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2008, 12:36:23 PM » |
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You guys are hilarious.....
PTSD is PTSD.
Perhaps you can tell everyone how it differs among rape, watching the death of a child, etc, etc....what are the differing manisfestations based on the stresses?
What do the experts say....or are you just taking this pathetic line because you can't find a better way to spend your time?
Yes, but you are more likely to ge PTSD from a torture chamber then you are from sitting in the barracks. Ummm......who was sitting in the barracks....the rape victim or the one who watched their own child die?  |
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #87 on: September 06, 2008, 12:46:34 PM » |
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You guys are hilarious.....
PTSD is PTSD.
Perhaps you can tell everyone how it differs among rape, watching the death of a child, etc, etc....what are the differing manisfestations based on the stresses?
What do the experts say....or are you just taking this pathetic line because you can't find a better way to spend your time?
Yes, but you are more likely to ge PTSD from a torture chamber then you are from sitting in the barracks. Ummm......who was sitting in the barracks....the rape victim or the one who watched their own child die? Which president was raped? |
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« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2008, 12:50:42 PM » |
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Oh jeeze....I thought you responded to my last post.
Do you need a list of Presidents who were front and center to the horrors of war?
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2008, 12:50:51 PM » |
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Can we compare the witnessing of a single event or a short term experiance with prolonged inhuman imprisonment with repeated torture? Five and a half years worth? Can we afford to underestimate what that can do to a man? The frightening fact is that McCain could be as crazy as a shithouse rat and we would never know it because all records of test results and treatments (successful or not)about PTSD are kept totally secret.
Its what we don't know about the man that may do us all in.
The only idiocy would be to ignore the possible consequences of a very likely mental impairment , that we will never be allowed to know about the candidate.
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