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« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2008, 12:55:25 PM » |
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Do you need a list of past Presidents who have been front and center to the horrors of war more than ONE single event?
Have you read on PTSD?
Why not talk about how DIFFERENTLY people respond to it?
Does it somehow incapacitate EVERYONE who experiences it?
Do people live normal lives having experienced it, or is EVERYONE condemned to a life of hell?
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« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2008, 12:56:51 PM » |
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I'm tired of your obfuscation Patton. I'm done with this thread.
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« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2008, 01:06:42 PM » |
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It's about time you give up trying to place complex interrelated yet generalized and broad risk factors that are subject to so much more than your inexperience in medical issues can realize into a nice little package to place at the feet of your Messiah....and I know you're not an American....but your preference is undeniable.
Human pathophysiology is far more complex an animal than to try and do that with it.....medically sophisticated folks are too smart than to try.
I was hoping this would have continued....in all your making a fuss over Johnnies daddy....you completely ignored his vibrant 96 year old mommy.
Is that wise when discussing genetics?
I know you want to go now....so go.
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2008, 01:22:41 PM » |
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OOO the great medical sophisticate has granted us his pearls of wisdom so that his glow of enlightenment can shine down on all us ignorant folks.
Patton... your pomposity, self aggrandisement, partisan bias and condescending elitism makes me want to puke.
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« Reply #94 on: September 06, 2008, 01:25:14 PM » |
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OOO the great medical sophisticate has granted us his pearls of wisdom so that his glow of enlightenment can shine down on all us ignorant folks.
Patton... your pomposity, self aggrandisement, partisan bias and elitism makes me want to puke.
Watch out Free......those sour grapes your eating will make you sick. This medical advice was free. Your welcome. |
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2008, 02:01:38 PM » |
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OOO the great medical sophisticate has granted us his pearls of wisdom so that his glow of enlightenment can shine down on all us ignorant folks.
Patton... your pomposity, self aggrandisement, partisan bias and elitism makes me want to puke.
Watch out Free......those sour grapes your eating will make you sick. This medical advice was free. Your welcome. No, I do not eat a thing. It's your pomposity that brings on the nausea. I am merely pointing out the obvious risks a mccain presidency comes with. Which you want to deny. Tell me that there is zero chance that, if elected, McCain will die in office , and that we have a zero possibility that we will have an evangelical hockey mom facing the trials and chalenges that the world will present to the next President. Tell me there is zero chance that mcCain could be hiding a possibly dangerous and explosive case of PTSD with dire consequences for the world. Tell me unequivocally those two opinions you have been harboring and defending here are true, and we can all see what you truly are. |
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« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2008, 02:06:03 PM » |
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It's about time you give up trying to place complex interrelated yet generalized and broad risk factors that are subject to so much more than your inexperience in medical issues can realize into a nice little package to place at the feet of your Messiah....and I know you're not an American....but your preference is undeniable.
Human pathophysiology is far more complex an animal than to try and do that with it.....medically sophisticated folks are too smart than to try.
I was hoping this would have continued....in all your making a fuss over Johnnies daddy....you completely ignored his vibrant 96 year old mommy.
Is that wise when discussing genetics?
I know you want to go now....so go.
We can continue if you wish... Obama is not my Messiah. He is better than McCain, but I am way to the left of anything Obama will ever offer. I wasn't the one who stressed genetics (others on my "side" did) incidentally. Anyway, the main question was who is a greater risk of dying in office. You seem to be saying they are both roughly an equal risk - is that really your view? (I would like a straight answer, rather than just more about how vague the risk factors are (I didn't know medical science was this imprecise)). |
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« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2008, 02:19:13 PM » |
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"Oh the horror....the HORROR!".......man I've never seen so many dramaqueens in one place at once.... Tell me that there is zero chance that, if elected, McCain will die in office.... After you tell me there is ZERO chance of ANYONE dying in office.....then we can both call eachother some more names  ...and that we have a zero possibility that we will have an evangelical hockey mom facing the trials and chalenges that the world will present to the next President. If we don't get her, we get someone who has never won a contested election for national office, hasn't completed a first term, has missed 80% of Senate votes since 2007, has avoided taking stances by voting "present" 130 times, who's "executive" experience is chairing (with a convicted terrorists) a failed education challenge in Chicago that wasted about $110 million, has porkbarrelled $740 million, who's cries for "change" led him to pick a 30+ year Washington beauraucrat Veep without a change bone in his body who also wants us to go into Iraq and dice it up into 3rds....and this guy WILL be President....not a "maybe" like her. Tell me there is zero chance that mcCain could be hiding a possibly dangerous and explosive case of PTSD with dire consequences for the world. Tell me for 100% sure he is. Tell me unequivocally those two opinions you have been harboring and defending here are true, and we can all see what you truly are. What "opinions"......this has been a very long thread. |
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« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2008, 02:29:28 PM » |
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Ok, I can't resist anymore. This thread will go on forever with no end in sight. McCain is old, yes. He has a better of chance of dying before Obama based on the age alone but I wouldn't say we all have to run in fear that he could die in the next four years. Geez, Obama could get hit with Cancer tomorrow. None of us has a glimpse into the future. If you want to say that McCain's dad plays a part in his health then you have to say the same thing about his mother, who is 94 or 96 and still seems to be going strong. What is the point of this whole thing anyway? I have heard doctors talk to me about my family's health history but I'm not gonna argue with someone who obviously works in the field and knows a little more than I do. And I don't believe he is lying to protect his choice for president. The original question was stupid and there is not way to answer it. Either man could get an illness and die. Obama smokes so he is at risk for Cancer. And what about the stress each man will go through if elected. Heart attack could happen to either, especially with the age of McCain and the smoking of Obama. What of it?
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« Reply #99 on: September 06, 2008, 02:36:07 PM » |
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Ok, I can't resist anymore. This thread will go on forever with no end in sight. McCain is old, yes. He has a better of chance of dying before Obama based on the age alone but I wouldn't say we all have to run in fear that he could die in the next four years. Geez, Obama could get hit with Cancer tomorrow. None of us has a glimpse into the future. If you want to say that McCain's dad plays a part in his health then you have to say the same thing about his mother, who is 94 or 96 and still seems to be going strong. What is the point of this whole thing anyway? I have heard doctors talk to me about my family's health history but I'm not gonna argue with someone who obviously works in the field and knows a little more than I do. And I don't believe he is lying to protect his choice for president. The original question was stupid and there is not way to answer it. Either man could get an illness and die. Obama smokes so he is at risk for Cancer. And what about the stress each man will go through if elected. Heart attack could happen to either, especially with the age of McCain and the smoking of Obama. What of it?
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« Reply #100 on: September 06, 2008, 03:08:50 PM » |
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Ok, I can't resist anymore. This thread will go on forever with no end in sight. McCain is old, yes. He has a better of chance of dying before Obama based on the age alone but I wouldn't say we all have to run in fear that he could die in the next four years. Geez, Obama could get hit with Cancer tomorrow. None of us has a glimpse into the future. If you want to say that McCain's dad plays a part in his health then you have to say the same thing about his mother, who is 94 or 96 and still seems to be going strong. What is the point of this whole thing anyway? I have heard doctors talk to me about my family's health history but I'm not gonna argue with someone who obviously works in the field and knows a little more than I do. And I don't believe he is lying to protect his choice for president. The original question was stupid and there is not way to answer it. Either man could get an illness and die. Obama smokes so he is at risk for Cancer. And what about the stress each man will go through if elected. Heart attack could happen to either, especially with the age of McCain and the smoking of Obama. What of it?
I thought my OP was quite a good question. Sorry, the original post is so far gone that I thought it was about McCain dying in office. No disrespect meant. |
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« Reply #101 on: September 06, 2008, 04:53:51 PM » |
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I have heard doctors talk to me about my family's health history but I'm not gonna argue with someone who obviously works in the field and knows a little more than I do. And I don't believe he is lying to protect his choice for president. Yes a little more than you do... emphasis on "little" . I do believe he is ...well ...not being forthcoming with honest opinions, professional or otherwise, to protect his choice for president. If he were being honest he would have agreed that a 72 year old with a history of recent cancer and a family history of early heart attack is not unlikely to die in the next four to eight years and we would have moved on to other issues. Patton denies the risk so he doesn't need to face the next question , which is of course the evangelical Hockey mom leading the free world and making decisions that will change the course of mankind. The thread was originally about Palins lack of any real experience. McCains chances of dying are inexorably linked to that dilemma. They are not unrelated issues. They are part of the same issue. |
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« Reply #102 on: September 06, 2008, 05:05:16 PM » |
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I have heard doctors talk to me about my family's health history but I'm not gonna argue with someone who obviously works in the field and knows a little more than I do. And I don't believe he is lying to protect his choice for president. Yes a little more than you do... emphasis on "little" . I do believe he is ...well ...not being forthcoming with honest opinions, professional or otherwise, to protect his choice for president. If he were being honest he would have agreed that a 72 year old with a history of recent cancer and a family history of early heart attack is not unlikely to die in the next four to eight years and we would have moved on to other issues. Patton denies the risk so he doesn't need to face the next question , which is of course the evangelical Hockey mom leading the free world and making decisions that will change the course of mankind. Well I don't know him so I can't speak to the honesty factor but I think both arguments are a bit far reaching. Saying that the hockey mom will change the course of mankind by assuming she will be president is a bit of a stretch and not taking into account that McCain has a clean bill of health at this time doesn't make sense either. I would tend to believe that genetics plays a role in all this but again, we have his mother to look at and I don't work in the medical field so I could be way off base. In any case, we can't see into the future so it seems a little silly to me. *Edited so quotes would be readable |
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« Reply #103 on: September 06, 2008, 05:07:30 PM » |
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Ladies and gentlemen....after Dr Free has dispensed with his puking...he returns with some extremely powerful observations:
a history of recent cancer =COMPLETELY excised with NO metastasis to lymphatics.
What is the prognosis here Dr?
What will you tell your patient who has had their cancer COMPLETELY excised with NO SPREAD?
"Fear death...it's right around the corner....we don't believe in surviving cancer here!"
Huh? What do you tell this person about their prognosis?
family history of early heart attack
Also a family history of a vibrant 96 year old mother.
Who does he MOST LIKELY seem to be taking after from a genetic standpoint?
The thread was originally about Palins lack of any real experience. McCains chances of dying are inexorably linked to that dilemma.
So is Obama's living.
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« Reply #104 on: September 06, 2008, 07:26:41 PM » |
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Obama alluded to McCain's 'temperment' in his wonderful speech which keeps getting buried in the news. Most heart attacks occur on a Monday, because they can be brought on by stress. McCain has completely changed from the person he used to be, according to most reporters who dealt with him before and during his presidential run. He used to be friendly and open, now he's an ***. He was pretty upset when he wasn't getting in the newsand Obama was. His mom may be 96, but women usually outlive men, by many years. So, yes, we could be stuck with a crazy hockey mom for president. It's pretty scary. At least with Obama we would be stuck with Biden.
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